Tuesday, September 10, 2013

The sensationalism of George Zimmerman



George Zimmerman has created a firestorm of controversy and we aren't even talking about the shady events that led to the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. Wherever Zimmerman goes, and whatever he does, he seems to bring a trail of police activity with him, and amazingly gets off every time. You would think he was a champion football player...you know...a "Heisman Trophy" winner or something. The way Zimmerman behaves, with no regard for the law (such as

Normal people don't do this. Normal people don't kill teenagers, get out of jail free, then get busted not once, but twice for speeding weeks after the nightmare of the "constant spotlight" is seemingly over.
repeatedly speeding after killing a teenager and getting off scot-free), you would think he was someone of celebrity status. Celebrities do this stuff-- the Lindsay Lohans, the Amanda Bynes...this is right up their alley.  And, yes...of course they are screwed up...but isn't George Zimmerman?

At least Casey Anthony learned how to keep her head out of public view.

What Zimmerman is doing is something rather unbelievable, and a bit scary, I do say. It shows a brazen personality with absolutely no regard for the law. I say this to all those who would discredit the statement by saying "What law. George Zimmerman is innocent, he can have a gun?"

Last time I checked, speeding was against the law. Yes, it's a traffic violation, but it is still against the law, and Zimmerman has proved he cannot abide by the rules. The first time he was "caught" breaking the rules, he was given a warning instead of a ticket, his face was plastered on TMZ and the only person investigated for doing anything wrong was the cop who stopped him.

Zimmerman didn't learn a lesson; he didn't stop speeding. He got caught again.

I've always had a theory about people who speed repeatedly. They think they are above the law, they don't have respect for other drivers, and think their needs are more important than others (that's why they break laws and endanger other drivers to get where they are going).

Zimmerman has no respect for the law, because he is a celebrity now. He's used to getting off scot-free, even if he kills someone. He has been involved in domestic abuse and stalking incidents, and got off scot free. He commits crimes and people flood him with so much money, he can now enjoy a life of wealth and leisure. He is trying to get more money from the state of Florida.

Forget Trayvon Martin's family trying to be compensated for the loss of their son, Zimmerman is the one who goes out and kills a boy and turns a profit.

It is unfathomable to me that anyone gave that man one red cent, and if Shellie Zimmerman pockets it all...then it serves them right. Let her win half that "defense fund" in her divorce settlement.

Trayvon Martin's family should file a wrongful death, civil suit before that money is gone, if you ask me. Though it might complicate the divorce proceedings and I think the best thing for Shellie Zimmerman is to get as far away from George Zimmerman as possible.

Will George Zimmerman get in trouble again?

Absolutely. Anyone who can't figure out how to drive the speed limit after supposedly "suffering" from intense scrutiny, living in a bubble (due to fear of your life and the spotlight) or who is trying to get their life on track, is going to mess up again.

This is who George Zimmerman is. He is above the law. He is never punished for his behavior. He has become untouchable and invincible.

And he has his gun.

Nancy Grace transcripts: George Zimmerman, Shellie Zimmerman domestic altercation

On Sept. 9, 2013, Nancy Grace covered the George Zimmerman, Shellie Zimmerman altercation and spoke with Zimmerman's former neighbor and vocal supporter Frank Taffe. You may read the full transcript and see various video
clips from the program below.


Police and George Zimmerman's attorney differ on whether Zimmerman had a gun.
Fast forward to 2 minutes, where Mark O'Mara says George Zimmerman did have his weapon


NANCY GRACE

George Zimmerman in Trouble Again?

Aired September 9, 2013 - 20:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911. Do you need police, fire or medical?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This (INAUDIBLE) police.

911 OPERATOR: All right, we do have units en route to you, ma`am. Is he still there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he is, and he`s trying to shove (ph) (INAUDIBLE) on me.

911 OPERATOR: Is he inside now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, he`s in his car, and he continually has his hand on his gun. And he keeps saying, step closer. He`s just threatening all of us with...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... with firearms. And he`s going to shoot us.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He punched my dad in the nose. My dad has a mark on his face. I saw his glasses on the floor. He accosted my father, and then took my iPad out of my hand and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife. And there`s a Lake Mary city worker across the street that I believe saw almost all of it.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) He just showed up here, but my phone died, so I had to call you from my father`s phone.

911 OPERATOR: OK. That`s what I was wondering. I was trying to get back and it kept going to voicemail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I`m really, really...

(CROSSTALK)

911 OPERATOR: ... stay in the area where you`re at, OK? So just stay on the line with me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. OK. I don`t know what he`s capable of. I`m really, really scared.

911 OPERATOR: All right. There are (INAUDIBLE) units in the area, all right? You said this is Shellie, right? What`s your phone number that you`re calling on now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Oh, the police are here.

911 OPERATOR: Yes, what is Zimmerman doing right now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s in his truck. There`s police here (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: Does he see them?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m sorry?

911 OPERATOR: Does he see them?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. They`re telling his bodyguard to get out of the way. Oh, my God. Dad -- Dad, get behind the car or something! I don`t know if (INAUDIBLE) shooting at us or not.

911 OPERATOR: Are you guys outside right now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, we are. (INAUDIBLE) Dad, get inside the house! (INAUDIBLE) shooting at us. I don`t know. We`re going inside the house.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Go back inside.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!

911 OPERATOR: Are you guys both inside now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Stay in there, OK? Let the police take care of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. He`s got his hands in the air. He`s not touching his weapon.

911 OPERATOR: OK. OK. Does your father need medical...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dad, do you need medical? He says no, but I think he does. He does need medical. He`s shaken. He said he feels like he`s going to have a heart attack. His nose -- yes, you do, because your nose looks like it could be broken. I think he should have medical. See if we can have an ambulance come.

911 OPERATOR: Sure. They (INAUDIBLE) they won`t be able to approach until the situation outside is secure, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. OK. Oh, my God!

911 OPERATOR: OK...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!

911 OPERATOR: You guys are safe inside, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: Shellie, you`re doing really good, OK? This is a tough situation for anyone, all right? I`ll stay on the line with you, all right, until our units can speak with you, all right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 OPERATOR: Are you OK? You said he did take something out of your hands. Do you need medical, as well?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t think so. Maybe just shock.

911 OPERATOR: OK. All right. I`m going to go ahead and get updated (ph) response, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Dad, get inside right now!

911 OPERATOR: Make sure he stays inside until someone comes and lets you know it`s OK for you to step out. Stay inside.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

911 OPERATOR: (INAUDIBLE) on the line to come to you, all right? But like I said, they can`t come up to check out your father until they secure the scene, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Hold on one second.

911 OPERATOR: OK, Shellie. Take a couple deep breaths for me, all right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone`s in there? Oh! There`s a woman in there. Oh, my God! Oh!

911 OPERATOR: Shellie?

(END AUDIO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Breaking news tonight, live, Sanford, Florida. A 17-year-old, Trayvon Martin, gunned down by the captain of neighborhood watch. In a stunning verdict, that watch captain, George Zimmerman, acquitted.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, just two business days after his wife files for divorce, George Zimmerman back in police custody on yet another alleged gun assault. You heard me right, George Zimmerman, acquitted by a Florida jury in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, in the last hours back in police detainment on yet another gun charge!

You just heard our transcription. We just finished it in time to go to air, of that 911 call. That was his wife, Shellie.

Out to you, Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, HLN. What happened, Jean?

JEAN CASAREZ, HLN LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Nancy, the police are confirming tonight that a gun was present at the scene. They will not confirm that a gun was used to threaten anyone at the scene.

GRACE: Well, hold on. Hold on. Wait a minute, Jean. I hear on the 911 call a woman`s voice says, His hands are in the air. They`re not on his weapon. Police say he had a weapon. If he had a weapon -- and we understand that the wife`s father`s nose was gushing blood where he had punched it -- I mean, what am I missing?

CASAREZ: Well, the 911 call also says that George Zimmerman`s hand was on his weapon that we believe was holstered, saying, You take one step farther, and I`m going shoot. And that, I think, the police are having an issue with at this point.

GRACE: And that, Steve Helling, writer for "People" magazine, is why many people thought he should never have left jail.

Well, there`s Frank Taaffe. Hi, Taaffe. I`ll go to you instead of Helling. What`s your man doing out with a gun?

FRANK TAAFFE, FRIEND OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: Well, they`re in the midst of a divorce, and just a week ago, she goes on national TV...

GRACE: Wa-wait! Wait! Wait! Did you just say they`re in a divorce, so he should have a gun? I asked you, what is he doing brandishing a gun?

TAAFFE: He didn`t brandish a gun. He had his hand on the gun. He didn`t point the gun. if you listen to the 911 tape, he -- she says he didn`t point the gun, but he has a gun. He`s not -- there was no indication that he pointed a gun at her.

GRACE: Oh, so he just comes toward her with his hand on the gun, Taaffe, and you`re saying...

TAAFFE: That`s Shellie`s -- that`s Shellie`s version.

(CROSSTALK)

TAAFFE: That`s Shellie`s version.

GRACE: Really? How did her father get a bloody nose?

TAAFFE: Well, we`ll have to find out the facts and the evidence in the case, won`t we? As of this moment, we only know her version.

GRACE: OK. So it`s either her father punched himself in the nose, she punched her father in the nose to set up George Zimmerman, or George Zimmerman punched him in the nose. So what do you think, Taaffe? There`s only three people there and one has a bloody nose.

TAAFFE: Well, there`s her side, his side and the truth. And I believe that the truth will come out that, you know, she made it up.

GRACE: You know what?

TAAFFE: It`s all contrived.

GRACE: You know what? You just can`t stand it, can you, that your man, George Zimmerman, has done it again. Here he is...

TAAFFE: I can stand anything.

GRACE: ... with a gun after just being acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin -- here he is bullying his wife with his hand on a gun, police called to the scene. How long has it been, a couple of months, since he just walked out?

TAAFFE: Well, I think her story is -- July 13th, yes. It`s coming up exactly two months, coming up on two months. But the bottom line is that we only hear...

GRACE: Joining me right now -- hold -- hold on, Taaffe. I`m coming right back to you. But right now, I`m hearing in my ear, straight out of Lake Mary, Florida, is Zach Hudson, the Lake Mary Police Department public information officer.

Officer, thank you for being with us.

ZACH HUDSON, LAKE MARY POLICE DEPARTMENT (via telephone): My pleasure, ma`am. Thanks for having me.

GRACE: Yes, sir. What can you tell me, Officer, about what happened?

HUDSON: We received a 911 phone call from Shellie Zimmerman that there was a sort of altercation between her, her father and George Zimmerman and that she felt threatened because he allegedly stuck his hand in his shirt or on his person, and she felt threatened by that, feeling there might be a weapon there. As a result of that, she called 911.

GRACE: Did he have a weapon, Zach? Officer Hudson, did he have a weapon on him when police got there?

HUDSON: No. We`ve not seen a weapon. She actually never saw a weapon, and we`ve not recovered a weapon.

GRACE: Then what happened?

HUDSON: We got there and we placed him in custody, in investigative custody or detention, as we say, and we started conducting the investigation.

GRACE: Could you tell me if the father-in-law, Shellie`s father, had taken a punch to the nose?

HUDSON: According to -- according to the father-in-law and George, there was a -- some sort of altercation between them. I don`t know if he was struck or not. There`s no obvious physical signs that he`d been struck. Our fire department came out and took a look at him, and that was pretty much the end of it. They did not treat him for anything.

GRACE: With me right now out of Lake Mary, Florida, is the PIO, public information officer, out of Lake Mary Police Department.

Out to you -- let me try this time to go to Steve Helling with "People" magazine joining me there in Florida. Steve Helling, based on the 911 call, the wife was once again in fear. Now, is this Zimmerman`s first domestic incident?

STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE": No. It actually is not his first domestic incident. If you go back several years, his fiancee at the time also alleged that there was, you know, some sort of physical altercation, as well. So this is not the first time we`ve been there.

GRACE: Wait, wait. Helling! Helling!

HELLING: Yes?

GRACE: You work for "People" magazine. Right?

HELLING: I certainly do.

GRACE: OK, you`re a writer, correct?

HELLING: Yes, I am.

GRACE: And you work with the facts, do you not?

HELLING: I love facts.

GRACE: OK. Well, tell me something. When you say some sort of incident, why do I have to ask you, a writer, for "People" magazine, what do you mean by that? What do you mean, an "incident"?

HELLING: Well, you know, obviously, it was one of those things that never ended up as a conviction of any sort. So we don`t know exactly what happened so many years ago.

GRACE: Well, how about this -- let me...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: ... someone that knows what is in...

HELLING: Good idea.

GRACE: ... the police report. Jean Casarez, HLN legal correspondent, isn`t it true that police were called to the Zimmerman home with his first fiancee on a domestic claim?

CASAREZ: That`s right, and we specifically know this because there was an entire hearing based on it in the Zimmerman trial. It did not come before the Zimmerman jury. But this was a prior girlfriend, and it was one evening, and George Zimmerman wanted to go out of the apartment. They got into a physical altercation.

She then went to a judge and got a temporary restraining order because of the situation. He also then got a temporary restraining order.

And let us not forget another incident. That was when he was with a buddy of his and the buddy was detained by a law enforcement officer, alcohol control. He didn`t like that. George Zimmerman got into a physical altercation with the law enforcement officer, was brought up on charges and did a diversion program for anger management.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911, do you need police, fire or medical?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is (INAUDIBLE) I need police.

911 OPERATOR: All right. We do have units en route to you, ma`am. Is he still there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he is, and he`s trying to shut the garage door on me.

911 OPERATOR: Is he inside now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. He`s in his car. And he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying, Step closer -- he`s just threatening all of us with...

911 OPERATOR: Step closer or what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... with his firearm. And he`s going to shoot us.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He punched my dad in the nose. My dad has a mark on his face. I saw his glasses were on the floor. He accosted my father and took my iPad out of my hands and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife. And there`s a -- a Lake Mary city worker across the street that I believe saw almost all of it.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are doing an investigation right now in reference to a domestic violence call, domestic battery potentially. And we`re doing the investigation and trying to sort out what we have.

QUESTION: How many potential witnesses are there? You said multiple people (INAUDIBLE) How many people are we talking about?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know the exact number. Generally speaking, when a 911 call goes out, the person calling is generally the one who is in the defense, if you will. But that`s not necessarily consistent with domestic violence. So it`s hard to tell. We`re trying to sort that...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: In the last hours, George Zimmerman back, the source of a 911 call after an alleged gun incident, a gun incident with his wife, who about two business days ago, filed for divorce.

According to the complaint, her father, Zimmerman`s current father-in- law, took a punch to the nose, and Zimmerman had a weapon, according to the 911 call.

We are live and taking your calls. Yvonne in Georgia. Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. Yes. My question is this. I want to know why wasn`t George Zimmerman arrested today? I have been a police officer. I`m resigned police officer. And first of all, police officers do not investigate crimes. They do not. You get a call. You respond to a scene. You investigate -- don`t investigate. You make an assessment based on probable cause.

There was more than enough probable cause. You don`t need Mrs. Zimmerman`s statement. You don`t need her husband`s. You make your observations. I mean, it doesn`t take a 1 -- man team to do a consultation on whether someone should be arrested or not. This guy is like...

GRACE: Hey, Yvonne -- Liz, hold Yvonne, please. Yvonne, if you could look at your screen right now -- that is -- go back to what we were just looking at, please, Liz, if you could. That is Zimmerman`s vehicle that you see and the police approaching the vehicle earlier with guns drawn. They`re all coming out of that home right there.

Back to Yvonne in Georgia -- Georgia`s Yvonne, what is your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question, why wasn`t he arrested? They had enough probable cause. They`re making an investigation out of something. Police do not investigate crimes. They make an assessment based on probable cause. He hit the guy in the nose...

GRACE: Yvonne, you`re absolutely right.

Out to Sheryl McCollum, crime analyst and the director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute. Sheryl, what happened?

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: Nancy, it looks like this guy just believes he is bulletproof. He`s going to go there with a gun. He`s going to make threats. He knows she`s on the phone. And once again, he doesn`t drive off. He`s going to sit there and let them show up. And then suddenly, there`s no gun. Suddenly, the father-in-law doesn`t need medical attention. Suddenly, all these things that Shellie may have said aren`t true.

This is volatile, and this is what happens when you basically give somebody this, Hey, I`m larger than any law. Nobody can tell me what to do. We`ve seen in recent weeks all the speeding tickets. He thinks he`s bullet-proof.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!

911 OPERATOR: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!

911 OPERATOR: You guys are safe outside (ph), correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: Shellie, you`re doing really good, OK? This is a tough situation for anyone, all right? I`ll stay on the line with you, all right, until our units can speak with you, all right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back, everyone. For those of you just joining us, I`m sure the name Trayvon Martin rings a bell. Well, the man who walked free on Trayvon Martin`s shooting death, George Zimmerman, in the last hours back under suspicion, police arriving after a 911 call in which his wife, Shellie, who coincidentally filed for divorce two business days before, calls 911, claiming Zimmerman is brandishing a weapon and that he`s already accosted her father.

We are live and taking your calls. To Zunike (ph) in Georgia. Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey. I was just wondering if, since (ph) Zimmerman claimed that Shellie was the aggressor, why didn`t -- if she wasn`t the aggressor, why won`t she file charges?

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Rod Vereen. As you recall, Mr. Vereen represented prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel in the Zimmerman trial, Jeff Gold, defense attorney who was there at the Zimmerman trial, and renowned attorney Yale Galanter, former lawyer for O.J. Simpson. Welcome to all of you gentlemen.

First of all, straight out to Rod Vereen. What do you make of it, Rod?

ROD VEREEN, REPRESENTED RACHEL JEANTEL: Well, I`m not shocked. You know, George Zimmerman likes firearms. This is what we call in the boxing world round two. The first round went to him. Now I`m anxious to see whether or not there`s going to be sufficient evidence that the law enforcement officers can put together that can bring charges.

Based on the 911 tape, which contains excited utterances and present tense (ph) impressions of Shellie Zimmerman, there appears to be probable cause to have effectuated an arrest of George Zimmerman, but...

GRACE: Which makes me -- Rod Vereen, I agree -- go back to Yvonne`s first question, who called in. Yale Galanter, based on everything we`re hearing, why wasn`t there an arrest, Yale?

YALE GALANTER, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR O.J. SIMPSON: Well, there probably wasn`t an arrest because the father and Mrs. Zimmerman told the police they didn`t want to prosecute. And these cases are very difficult to prove when you have reluctant witnesses. You, of course, can. You have to make motions to hold witnesses in contempt, compel their testimony. And most police departments and state attorneys` offices do not want to do that if the complaining witnesses don`t want to come forward and come to court.

GRACE: Well, all I know is this. Sheryl McCollum said it best. He`s bulletproof.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, George Zimmerman once again in the middle of a police 911 call involving yet another alleged gun incident. A 911 call made by Zimmerman`s wife Shellie, coincidentally just two business days after she files for divorce from Zimmerman. In the call, she`s frantic, claiming that Zimmerman has a gun, that she is afraid, that he`s already accosted her father. And lo and behold, as I`m sitting here, I hear in my ear that Zimmerman`s defense is that his wife was the aggressor. Wow. This sounds familiar. What`s he going to do, Taaffe? Claim stand your ground again?

TAAFFE: Well, you know, we`ve got to not forget that Shellie Zimmerman is a convicted perjurer. So you have to understand where this all was fabricated from.

GRACE: Put him up.

You know what, Taaffe?

TAAFFE: What?

GRACE: You might be able to get away with saying that to somebody else, but right here, you`re going to be held accountable for that, because what you`re talking about was when she was on the stand trying to help her husband.

TAAFFE: She made all this up. First of all, the facts -- the facts and the evidence will weigh in.

GRACE: And now you`re firing (inaudible).

TAAFFE: Hey, the facts and the evidence are going to weigh in. As of this moment, they haven`t charged him.

GRACE: What do you mean? Facts and evidence are going to weigh in?

TAAFFE: I know exactly what I`m talking about.

GRACE: That doesn`t even make sense. The facts are going to weigh in. That does not even--

TAAFFE: The facts and the evidence -- this is a domestic violence issue.

GRACE: Oh, so that means it`s not a big deal?

TAAFFE: And I don`t know if you`ve ever been involved in a divorce, but just last week she`s trashing her husband on national TV.

GRACE: So it`s OK--

TAAFFE: Saying he`s selfish--

GRACE: -- that he has a gun?

TAAFFE: She wants him to put a $1 million life insurance policy that she`s the beneficiary, and worse yet, she wants his dog.

GRACE: Probably because she`s scared, I wonder why.

TAAFFE: She wants his dog. They don`t have children.

GRACE: You mean her dog?

TAAFFE: That`s his baby. She wants his dog. That`s his baby. And, you know what? She`s not going to get it.

GRACE: You know what? Are you trying to tell me that that somehow justifies him hitting her father? And --

TAAFFE: We don`t know that.

GRACE: -- pulling a gun or threatening her?

TAAFFE: That`s her version.

GRACE: Her version.

TAAFFE: That`s her version. Nancy, we don`t know that. We know coming from a convicted perjurer, we need to find out just like in the Zimmerman, the Trayvon Martin shooting, we need to find out the facts and the evidence in this case.

GRACE: Well, this is what I know. I know that his fiancee claimed that he attacked her. I know that he attacked a police officer. You and I have gone around and around about that before. So if he`s not trying to attack a police officer --

TAAFFE: That was dismissed. Lack of evidence. It was dismissed. He had anger management and he successfully completed that, and that was all in the past.

GRACE: Well, obviously it wasn`t quite as successful as you are suggesting. Let`s see what we can learn from the 911 call, Taaffe.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911. You need police, fire or medical?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (inaudible) police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right we do have a unit en route to you, ma`am. Is he still there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he is, and he is trying to shut the garage door on me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he inside now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. He`s in his car, and he continually has his hand on his gun, and he keeps saying, step closer. He`s just threatening all of us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Trying to shut the garage door on her?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He punched my dad in the nose. My dad has a mark on his face. I saw his glasses. They`re on the floor. He accosted my father, and then took my iPad out of my hand and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife. And there`s a -- a Lake Mary City worker across the street that I believe saw almost all of it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Took out a pocket knife. Used it on her iPad.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just showed up here. My phone died so I had to call you from my father`s phone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. That`s what I was wondering. I was trying to call you back and it kept going to voicemail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I`m really, really --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have units in the area where you`re at. OK? So just stay on the line with me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. OK. I don`t know what he`s capable of. I`m really scared.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. There are multiple units in the area. All right. You said this is Shellie. Right? What`s your phone number that you`re calling on now?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: OK. If he doesn`t have a gun, why is she so afraid? Why is he hiding in his truck?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s police here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you see them?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m sorry?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does he see them?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Um, yes. They`re telling his body guard to get out of the way. Oh, my God.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: His bodyguard? Are we paying for his bodyguard?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you outside right now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, we are. (inaudible). Dad, get inside the house. George may start shooting at us. I don`t know. We`re going inside the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, go back inside.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you guys both inside now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Stay in there. OK? Let the police take care of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

He`s got his hands in the air. He`s not touching his weapon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, OK. Is your father -- does he need medical?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dad, do you need medical? He says, no, but I think he does. He does need medical. He`s shaking, he said he feels like he`s going to have a heart attack. His nose -- yes, you do. Because your nose looks like -- it could be broken. I think he should have a medical. If we can have an ambulance come.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sure. They won`t be able to approach until the situation outside is secured.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, OK.

Oh, my God.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to Matt Zarrell on the story. Matt, she and her father are both hiding in the house. Police approach Zimmerman with guns drawn. What led up to this? What`s this all about, Matt?

ZARRELL: Nancy, our understanding is it all goes back to Shellie Zimmerman filing for divorce just a couple of days ago. According to Zimmerman`s defense attorney, Shellie Zimmerman was the one who had actually moved out of the home and was in the process of going back today and getting some of her belongings, and they were separating the belongings, and that`s when the disagreement took place.

GRACE: OK. Matt Zarrell, I like the way you say, "the disagreement." You know, Matt, typically disagreements don`t involve allegations of brandishing weapons and calling 911.

ZARRELL: I understand that, Nancy, but my interpretation of this is that if Shellie Zimmerman were really scared for her life and really concerned for her safety, she would have pressed charges, she would file a protective order, and I did not see that.

GRACE: Oh, really? Is that true, Matt Zarrell? How many cases have we filed, have we covered where women don`t call police and they`ve been beaten for years, Matt Zarrell, how can you even say that?

ZARRELL: But, Nancy, we have the prior allegations already. We know Zimmerman`s history, we know what came out at trial. We know what she witnessed with her father getting injured. Just for the safety of her father, she should press charges.

GRACE: I know, but you just said, Matt Zarrell, if it really happened, why isn`t she pressing charges? Michael Christian, joining me, investigative reporter and producer. Michael Christian, how many hundreds of cases have we covered where women are mistreated and abused and they never tell police?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Yes. Way too many of those, Nancy. You know that. Way, way, too many of those. This is interesting, though, because from what we`ve been told, after she called 911, Shellie Zimmerman didn`t directly talk to the police immediately. She called her attorney to talk to him. So attorneys were involved on her side right away. Later, Mark O`Mara shows up at the house to talk to George Zimmerman. So this is a case before people are really talking to police, they`re talking to their attorneys.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Zimmerman`s wife Shellie filed for divorce, according to her attorney.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She stood by her man, like Tammy Wynette says. And she probably shouldn`t have.

SHELLIE ZIMMERMAN: I stood by my husband through everything, and I kind of feel like he left me with a bunch of pieces of broken glass. That I`m supposed to now assemble and make a life.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is Shellie Zimmerman on ABC`s GMA. Two business days before this incident, she files for divorce, and suddenly 911 called to the scene, with Zimmerman brandishing a gun and has already accosted, assaulted her father. Out to you, Frank Taaffe, friend of George Zimmerman.

Mr. Taaffe, what is the reason behind their divorce? I don`t know why you`re holding that.

TAAFFE: This baby right here. This baby right here.

GRACE: Are they divorcing over a dog?

TAAFFE: This is their baby. This is his baby.

GRACE: That`s not what I asked you.

TAAFFE: This dog is their baby.

GRACE: OK. Great. Why are they getting a divorce?

TAAFFE: Well, the relationship was strained even before the shooting. She was living out of the house on the night of the shooting, and then --

GRACE: She came to court every day during the trial.

TAAFFE: Well, you know, Nancy, you know --

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Their marriage is in so much trouble she stood by him all that time?

TAAFFE: What happened to better or worse? What happened when you take a marriage vow for better or worse?

GRACE: Here we go.

TAAFFE: I mean, honestly--

GRACE: Can you answer? Do you know why they`re getting a divorce?

TAAFFE: -- better or worse, in sickness and in health, or murder trial or perjury trial.

GRACE: OK. So I take it that you don`t know why they`re getting a divorce?

TAAFFE: Yes. They`re getting a divorce over the fact of irreconcilable differences.

GRACE: I know, but what?

TAAFFE: (inaudible) right there. It means I don`t get along with you anymore.

GRACE: OK. All right. Never mind. Unleash the lawyers. Rod Vereen, who represented prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel, Jeff Gold, defense attorney who was at the trial, Yale Galanter. Out to you, Jeff Gold, let`s hear your side.

GOLD: We just listened to the PIO, the police information officer, say there was no gun, and in addition to that, there was no mark to show an altercation on the dad. I think you just showed that Shellie Zimmerman is a liar again. And you may make fun of Frank Taaffe, but look, she was convicted of perjury. And there were no charges issued by the police. Put that all together, and this is a bunch of hyper talk that we don`t know is true at all, after she filed for divorce two days before. Let`s give the guy a break. He`s being followed and we`re having the news that he`s a speeder. God forbid. Now we`re putting on a domestic with no charges. I say give the guy a little time, let`s find out what happened.

GRACE: Back out to you, Sheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, I want to hear your response to what Gold just said.

MCCOLLUM: Well, he is a speeder. He has no regard for the law. That`s been very clear. If he believed that Shellie was the aggressor, why didn`t he call 911, if he was in fear? Just like he was on with 911 while he followed Trayvon. But after he shot him, he didn`t feel the need to call them back.

GRACE: It is interesting that once the trial is over, Steve Helling, with "People" magazine, that now there`s a divorce. Now she is saying that he is waving a gun at her and she`s afraid. Basically, now, I know there`s a large portion of the trial she couldn`t come into the courtroom, because she was going to be a witness for witness sequestration issues, but she was at that courthouse on and off throughout the trial, supporting him. The whole reason she got charged with perjury is over his bank account where he was getting money from the public and then wrote down that he didn`t have enough money and needed an indigent lawyer. That`s how that went down. And now the trial is over and he`s in the clear, suddenly he doesn`t need her anymore, and they`re getting a divorce.

HELLING: Well, you know, there is no question that during the trial she was there for him. And there`s no question about that. She talks about how she was living in different places, so she was going around and living with him after the shooting. And so, yes. Now this happens, and, you know, Mark O`Mara says this was an argument over pots and pans. So obviously little things are now starting to really get in between them, and another thing Mark O`Mara says, this is definitely headed to divorce. No reconciliation. They`re not going to contact each other anymore. It`s all going to be done (inaudible).

GRACE: Not after today. Out to Greg Cason, psychologist. Greg, what`s your analysis?

GREG CASON, PSYCHOLOGIST: I think this is one of those cases where he is a person who absolutely wants control. We saw him, the -- his wife filed for divorce only two days beforehand, and he goes now back to the house. Goes and won`t leave the house. Nobody`s mentioning the fact that that truck just sits out there as the police come after him. He wants control over the situation. Same thing happened the night with Trayvon Martin, when he had to have control, because his wife left him that night, and he went out on a vigilante call.

GRACE: Well, what`s interesting, and this is already swirling, Jean Casarez, is that the wife, Shellie, set this whole thing up. That`s not my allegation. But that is already what his defenders are saying, Jean.

CASAREZ: Well, Nancy, you uncovered a major inconsistency. You broke some news tonight in regard to the police department saying that they couldn`t find a gun, that George Zimmerman didn`t have a gun, because the police department had said there was a gun. They just didn`t know if it was used to threaten or not. Well, if we take that (inaudible) inconsistencies throughout this entire 911 call.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is Shellie Zimmerman claiming at this point happened?

ZACH HUDSON, LAKE MARY POLICE DEPARTMENT: She`s claiming that, according to the 911 call --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: There you see police just after George Zimmerman`s wife calls police, calls 911, claiming he was brandishing a weapon and already assaulted her father. We are taking your calls. Kathy in California, hi, Kathy, what`s your question?

CALLER: I have a question. I was abused in 2004 in the state of Illinois, and there I decided not to prosecute, which was dumb on my part, but the D.A. did. And is that -- does Florida law have that?

GRACE: You know, Kathy, when I prosecuted, very often women would try to back out of the initial police report. I mean, you know, Sheryl McCollum, that`s how far back we go, what was it, in `87 we were there in city court dealing with battered women`s cases, and you were in a program trying to give them free cell phones to use.

MCCOLLUM: Absolutely.

GRACE: In the time of an emergency. That`s when we first met. And very often prosecutors have to make cases, even when the women don`t want to cooperate, because they`re afraid to.

MCCOLLUM: Absolutely. That`s the threat. They will tell them, you know, they`re beating them anyway, but if you call the police, I will kill you. Then when the police show up and they know there is going to be a trial, the violence escalates. Nancy, we all know that. And George Zimmerman, we know for a fact, is capable of taking the life of another person.

GRACE: But I tell you something, in this case, Sheryl, I think the defense lawyers are right, they`ve got me over a barrel on this.

(CROSSTALK)

MCCOLLUM: Sure, there`s credibility.

GRACE: -- without any visible -- she`s not bleeding, she is not bruised, she doesn`t have a broken arm, and she doesn`t testify, what do you have?

MCCOLLUM: They can`t find the gun.

GRACE: Yes. So here, they`re technically right. The state may not have the evidence to go forward if this woman will not cooperate. Out to the lines, Diane in Virginia, hi, Diane, what`s your question?

CALLER: Nancy, I just love you to death. I just really feel like after watching this unfold on HLN today, that as soon as Mark O`Mara showed up, I know she`s afraid, being Shellie Zimmerman. And I feel like he put pressure on her to maybe not do anything, and you`re right, he is just untouchable in Florida.

GRACE: Yes, you know, Jean Casarez, HLN legal correspondent, what happened? As soon as his defense attorney got there, everything kind of dissipated, and it was decided, and suddenly there were no charges being pressed?

CASAREZ: You know, there was a coincidence there that he even wasn`t being detained anymore I think after Mark O`Mara hit the scene. It either was a coincidence or this reasonable detention power the police had, it can only last for so long.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: We remember American hero, Army Sergeant Jason McCluskey, just 26, McCallister (ph), Oklahoma. Bronze Star, two Purple Hearts, parents Delores and Jimmy, brother Joshua, son Landon. Jason McCluskey, American hero.

And now back to a significant turn of events. George Zimmerman back at the center of controversy, a 911 call by his wife claiming that in the last hours, he brandishes a weapon, a gun, and punches her father in the nose. We are just getting in from TMZ that one person on record, George Zimmerman, is not the guy you want as your next-door neighbor. It`s the chief of police, Lake Mary, Florida. Police Chief Steve Bracknell (ph) says he`s frustrated Shellie Zimmerman changes her story, now saying Zimmerman did not have his hand on a gun or in a threatening manner while arguing with her father. You know, it`s extremely disconcerting that she`s so afraid, she calls 911, and then suddenly once all the lawyers arrive on the scene, everything changes, Michael Christian. I find that very odd. Do you?

CHRISTIAN: Yes. However, you`ve got to remember, this is a divorce, this is a fresh divorce, emotions run very, very, very high in these things. A lot of times people on both sides say things that when they have a moment to reflect, they take back, or the stories change a little bit. That`s not incredibly surprising. It`s surprising here, because this is such a high profile thing, but it`s not surprising in a new divorce.

GRACE: Shellie Zimmerman suddenly is changing her story from Zimmerman had a gun, now he does not have a gun. The police chief says I would not want to be his neighbor. Zimmerman back in the news tonight with another alleged gun assault.

As we go to break, a special good night from Florida and Georgia, friends. Charleen (ph) and Sharon (ph). Aren`t these beautiful? Everyone, Dr. Drew up next. It`s all over there in Florida. The police have gone home, but the story goes on. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.

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Jane Velez-Mitchell transcript: George Zimmerman, Shellie Zimmerman domestic dispute (videos)

On Sept. 9, 2013, George Zimmerman's estranged wife, Shellie Zimmerman, called 911 to report a domestic dispute with her husband. That is about the only information that at this time can be 100% confirmed. Since making that phone call, media has reported a number of things that were later disproved or directly
discredited by authorities.

One thing that is certain, and that is an investigation into the argument continues and should the state attorney determine that a crime was committed, charges could be filed.

Here is the full transcript from the HLN program "Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell" that was dedicated to the Shellie Zimmerman 911 call and police presence for several hours outside of the Sprucewood home in Lake Mary, Florida owned by Shellie Zimmerman's parents Machelle and David Dean.

Also included is the full 911 call made by Shellie.



JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Zimmerman`s Ex: `He Threatened Me with a Gun`

Aired September 9, 2013 - 19:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Breaking news tonight, police swarm George Zimmerman`s rental home during an explosive fight between him, his estranged wife Shellie, and her dad.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live tonight.

Shellie Zimmerman filed for divorce from George just last week. Police raced to the scene earlier today after Shellie called 911, claiming George Zimmerman had a gun, was threatening her and her dad, and that George punched her father right in the nose.

Hmm. Sounds familiar. A punch in the nose. Ironically, that`s what George Zimmerman says Trayvon Martin did to him moments before Zimmerman shot the unarmed teen dead. As the world knows, Zimmerman was acquitted of murder just two months ago.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SHELLIE ZIMMERMAN, ESTRANGED WIFE OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN (via phone): He`s in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun, and he keeps saying, "Step closer." And he was just threatening all of us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We, the jury, find George Zimmerman not guilty.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: George Zimmerman has been taken into custody.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice, no peace.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice, no peace.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice, no peace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you following him?

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, ACQUITTED OF MURDER (via phone): Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t need you do that.

S. ZIMMERMAN: And he`s going shoot us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She stood by her man.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that this there was a gun present.

S. ZIMMERMAN: I don`t know what he`s capable of. I`m really -- really scared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Possible domestic altercation. Is this who he really is?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Since his acquittal, George Zimmerman has had a slew of relatively minor run-ins with the cops. Today`s dispute certainly took that to a whole other level, if you know what I mean.

Zimmerman has been living in a suburban Orlando home owned by his father-in-law, the guy he allegedly socked in the nose. Police say Shellie and her dad came over today to get some things that she had asked for in the divorce. Sounds like things went downhill and fast.

Here`s Shellie`s call to 911.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stay on the line with me.

S. ZIMMERMAN: OK. OK. I don`t know he`s capable of. I`m really -- really scared.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. There are multiple units in the area. All right? This is Shellie, right? What`s your phone number that you`re calling on now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: The police are here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is Zimmerman doing right now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: He`s in his truck. There`s police here. There`s (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you see them?

S. ZIMMERMAN: I`m sorry?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does he see them?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes, they`re telling his bodyguard to get out of the way. Oh, my gosh.

Dad -- Dad, get behind a car or something. I don`t know if he`s going start shooting at us or not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you outside right now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes, we are. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

Dad, get inside the house. George might start shooting at us, I don`t know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, my gosh. Zimmerman was not arrested, though, and his estranged wife and his father-in-law decided not to file complaints.

So is George Zimmerman spiraling out of control or is Shellie Zimmerman trying to distance herself from her controversial husband and her role in one of the country`s most hotly debated trials?

What do you think at home? I want to hear from you. Call me: 1-877- JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

We have an incredible panel in the Lion`s Den tonight including Tanya Young Williams, who knows who it`s like to live through a husband`s high- profile death trial, and George Zimmerman`s goods buddy, Frank Taaffe.

But we`re going to start with attorney J. Wyndal Gordon. J. Wyndal, what do you think of George Zimmerman walking away with no charges after being accused of punching his father-in-law in the nose?

J. WYNDAL GORDON, ATTORNEY: I think the whole case is entirely crazy. I think what we`re seeing here is a pattern.

George Zimmerman has killed a child. He`s fighting a woman and an elderly man. What`s going on with George Zimmerman? We have to really wonder about this guy and what he has become since his acquittal. He thinks he`s invincible. He thinks he`s above the law, and whenever he gets in trouble, his family tends to bail him out one way or the other.

Something happened at that house today. Something happened that was very serious. And you can tell by the 911 call. But will it go through to a -- to a court of law to be adjudicated there? I don`t know. I don`t think so.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, less than two months after he was acquitted of murder, Shellie Zimmerman says the not-guilty verdict left George feeling invincible, and she says he`s not the same man she married. Listen to this from ABC News, and then we`ll debate it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. ZIMMERMAN (on camera): In my opinion, he feels invincible. I just think he`s making some reckless decisions. I have a selfish husband, and I think George is all about George.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Instead of laying low, Zimmerman keeps popping back into the spotlight for all the wrong reasons: pulled over for allegedly speeding twice. He also visited a gun manufacturer who makes the very type of gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin. And he even posed for a photo at the gun factory, something even his own legal team admitted seems inappropriate and now this.

Straight out to the Lion`s Den. We`re going to go to Zimmerman`s good buddy, Frank Taaffe. I mean, this is a lot of behavior, Frank, a lot of acting out. It`s not all coincidence. Could Zimmerman really feel invincible and think he can get away with ever -- whatever he wants now?

FRANK TAAFFE, FRIEND OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: No, Jane. I think, personally speaking, knowing what I know of George, this is another example of a couple going through a very heated divorce. And there`s going to be a lot of heated hostilities. And we got to take into the fact that the police (UNINTELLIGIBLE) department...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank, he allegedly punched his father-in-law in the nose. Whether or not they want to file charges, that`s what Shellie said on the 911 call. We all heard it. She`s telling her dad, "Get into the house. I`m afraid he`s going to shoot." Not that he did.

But -- but that`s not just a normal divorce, OK. I got divorced once upon a time. I went to a peaceful mediator. Frank.

GORDON: George Zimmerman is a killer. We`ve seen this behavior with O.J. Simpson. Even after his acquittal he has the un -- insatiable desire to remain in the media, to remain relevant. Whether he`s at the Kel-Tec manufacturer posing with this 12-gauge semiautomatic shotgun or he`s being pulled over by police. He won`t stop.

He should be afraid to even spit on the sidewalk after his acquittal. And so now we`re seeing him engaged in reckless conduct.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Why would you say that? Why would you say that? To say he should be afraid to spit on the sidewalk?

GORDON: I get that. I get that.

KELLY SAINDON, FORMER PROSECUTOR: I`m not a Zimmerman fan at all, but that is ridiculous.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let her speak. Let her speak. All right. So what are you going to -- what do you say, Kelly?

SAINDON: So why is -- why is he saying Zimmerman should be afraid to spit? We believe in our justice system. He was acquitted. I don`t necessarily agree with that, but...

GORDON: It has nothing to do with the justice system. It has to do with getting away with murder.

SAINDON: I think right now that -- It does. It does, it does, it does. He went through, he was tried and he was acquitted. So what you`re saying is double talk.

GORDON: I`m not trying to re-litigate the case with you.

SAINDON: You can`t say he got away with murder.

GORDON: All I`m saying is that he needs to be...

SAINDON: But he was acquitted!

GORDON: ... making smart decisions because of what he just went through.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. I want to give Frank Taaffe a chance to respond to this.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank, the reason I interrupted you, you say, "Well, they`re going through a divorce." This is not just a regular divorce. Millions of people get divorced. They don`t allegedly punch their father- in-law in the nose. I just really would like for you to address that.

GORDON: Especially when he was in his father-in-law`s house.

TAAFFE: You used the correct word; you said alleged. And you know, coming from a convicted perjurer, if you listen to that 911 tape, I would say a majority of that has been fabricated. I mean, look who she`s on the phone with. She`s on the phone with 911...

GORDON: OK. Let me get this straight. You`ve been friends with both of them, right? And now she`s a convicted perjurer?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let Frank -- let Frank finish.

TAAFFE: His wife was convicted of perjury. Shellie was convicted of perjury, that`s correct.

GORDON: Wow.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. So what are you saying, that she`s lying?

TAAFFE: I believe that she is just bolstering her situation.

Look, she threw her husband under the bus on national TV, intimated the fact that there was going to be a divorce. It was being tabled. And, you know, personally speaking, you know, did she really stand by her man?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God, Frank.

TAAFFE: She`s just mad because he showed up at the house with a blond woman, and that set the wheels in motion.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK.

GORDON: Again, bad decisions by Zimmerman.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, wait, wait, wait. I -- I have to get to this factor, though, because this is the mystery of this entire incident, is who is that woman in the black full-length -- with the blond hair.

OK. At the end of the call you could hear Shellie Zimmerman gasp in disbelief at the sight of a woman, presumably a woman with her estranged husband, George. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. ZIMMERMAN: Hold on one second.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, Shellie, take a couple of deep breaths for me, all right?

Someone is in there?

S. ZIMMERMAN: There`s a woman in there. Oh my gosh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh my...

S. ZIMMERMAN: Oh.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shellie?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh my gosh. So take a look at this video from a chopper. There`s a woman there in black, all right? She`s a mystery woman, long blond hair, wearing this black head-to-toe outfit, standing next to him.

Jean Casarez, you`ve followed this from the very beginning. Shellie goes, "Oh, my God. There`s a woman," and there`s a mystery woman. What do you make of it?

JEAN CASAREZ, HLN LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it`s at the end of the 911 call so we can`t say that all of this specificity by her was motivated because he had a woman in the car. She just discovered it at the end of call.

But this whole phone call focuses around a gun. So the question is: Did they find a gun on George Zimmerman? Did they collect a gun at the scene? Did they see a gun at the scene?

And she also talks about a knife, that he took out a knife and that he -- he marked the iPad and then threw it, I think. And so that`s another alleged weapon right there. Was that knife found?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wendy Walsh, we need a psychologist right now. Is this -- OK.

GORDON: There was a gun recovered from the house, media accounts say.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, look, he says that he packs heat. His brother says that he needs a gun more than ever now.

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: I`m sure he has a gun.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: His own attorney said that they let him keep the gun...

GORDON: So he can threaten his wife.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... he used to kill Trayvon Martin. So, yes, he went to the gun manufacturing plant and posed. I mean, he seems a little bit focused on guns, to put it mildly.

But Wendy Walsh, I mean, they`re there, apparently dividing up their shared belongings. We know she filed for divorce. They`d been separated since August 13. A, is it possible there`s a woman who -- many woman are attracted to men who are in the news in this fashion. We all know that. And is it possible that there`s -- that this is a real mess involving, yes, perhaps another woman?

WALSH: I think it`s a huge possibility.

You know, it`s really interesting, Jane, is that women don`t -- when women break up with a guy, they actually break up with a guy. When a man breaks up with a woman, it`s usually because he`s leaving for another relationship. Men do better within relationships.

So it wouldn`t surprise me in the least to know that he would have another woman waiting in the wings. But the more interesting thing is when he was acquitted I said to myself, you know what? Just like I said during the O.J. Simpson days, give him enough rope, he`ll hang himself. Just let him go. Let`s see what happens.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side...

WALSH: Eventually, personality stuff comes out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We are going to talk to Tanya Young Williams. She knows what it`s like to stand by her man during a high-profile trial. She is the estranged wife of Jason Williams, the NBA star who shot and killed his limo driver.

What`s it like to be Shellie? What`s it like to be Tanya? We`ll find out on the other side, and we`re taking your calls.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is claiming that, according to the 911 call, that Mr. Zimmerman was threatening her and her father with a weapon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had his hand on a gun, I believe is how it was put?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s how the 911 call went, yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were still assessed or determined to tell the court that he is not a violent person and not a threat to the community?

S. ZIMMERMAN (via phone): Absolutely he is not a violent person nor a threat to the community.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But today, a 911 call made by his estranged wife, Shellie Zimmerman, says, "Oh, my gosh, he punched my dad" -- George Zimmerman`s father-in-law -- "in the nose and scratched my iPad," even knocked the glasses off, allegedly, purportedly, according to the 911 call. But no charges have been filed, because neither Shellie nor her dad want to file a complaint.

Straight out to the phone lines. Lisa, Wisconsin, your question or thought. Lisa.

CALLER: Hi, Jane. Thanks for taking my call. I just find it very irritating. His demeanor is so grandiose. It just amazes me how he could have done what he did, which is optionally to leave and just have that attitude and grandiose like everybody owes him something.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I do think, Candice DeLong -- you`re a retired FBI profiler. You profile people who are criminals. And I have to say he`s not a criminal. I mean, he was acquitted in the legal sense. He was acquitted to shooting Trayvon Martin to death.

Now he`s purportedly, allegedly, punched his father-in-law in the nose, and no charges are filed against him. But what do you profile him as?

CANDICE DELONG, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Well, I didn`t -- first of all, you know, I`ve never been silent about the fact that I disagreed with the verdict. I believe that he is a violent man, and I believe that the jury got it wrong.

I -- if Shellie is telling the truth -- and a gentleman earlier on the panel said she`s a convicted perjurer. I believe George is, as well.

GORDON: Yes, right.

DELONG: He stood in front of a judge and said he had no money for his bail. And so he went -- you know, and he did. He did have money. He cried poor when he wasn`t. So George is just as guilty as she is and lied about it. That`s the same thing.

TAAFFE: ... about that. She did.

DELONG: Hang on. Yes, he did. He had assets. He had a -- close to $200,000 in assets.

TAAFFE: He had no accessibility. There was no Internet service in the jail, so he relied on her to speak...

GORDON: That is the weakest...

(CROSSTALK)

TAAFFE: ... at his initial...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They were talking in code. They were talking in code, Frank. We know that.

DELONG: All right. So -- so at any rate, I think that, when George was acquitted, the jury bought him his next assault. That may have been what happened -- when was it? This morning, last night, at -- with Shellie and her father-in-law.

People seem to be questioning if Shellie is telling the truth now about this -- what she said on the 911 call. The police are saying charges are not being filed against Shellie -- brought by Shellie or her father-in- law. They are not saying Shellie is being arrested for filing a false report or calling a false 911 call.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

DELONG: They`re not saying that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank, I want to give you a chance to respond.

GORDON: ... common that people are held in domestic violence.

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TAAFFE: ... calling it a domestic violence shooting, there`s no probable cause. And this isn`t domestic violence. He wasn`t there to celebrate a birthday party. They were there to split up their pots and pans and to make, you know, proper allocation of what was theirs. And I don`t know if any of y`all on this panel have been through a divorce...

GORDON: Did you just say that there was no probable cause?

TAAFFE: Please let me finish.

GORDON: I want to make sure I understood what you said.

(CROSSTALK)

TAAFFE: ... heated, and they`ve just been through the trial of their life. And, you know, his speeding ticket, which was issued by the Lake Mary Police Department, which is the same agency that went out to this domestic violence incident today, and there was no probable cause.

GORDON: That`s wrong.

TAAFFE: And she did change her statement.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t know that, Frank. You don`t know that.

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GORDON: When there is an allocation that someone has been punched in the nose and that someone has threatened them with a gun, that`s probable cause, Frank.

TAAFFE: Allegedly. Allegedly.

GORDON: That`s probably cause. Lawyers know that. That`s probable cause.

TAAFFE: That`s an allegation (ph).

GORDON: What happened -- what happened in this case is what happens in a lot of domestic violence cases, is that when people -- they`ve just been through the trial of their life. They just don`t want to go through it again. They`re tired. They don`t want to go through the media exposure.

TAAFFE: ... unlike the injuries that were sustained to the back of George`s head.

DELONG: Is it a fact or not that George Zimmerman`s attorney went to Shellie`s home?

TAAFFE: There were no injuries...

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, she -- we saw pictures of George Zimmerman`s attorney at the home. Yes, Candice, we saw pictures of the attorney, Mark O`Mara, at the home.

DELONG: So -- so Shellie calls in this desperate 911 call, saying this that and the other, violent things that George has done, the knifing the iPad, hitting her father in the face and threatening...

GORDON: How about being arrested for resisting arrest and assault on a police officer years ago?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but let`s just stay with this.

DELONG: All right. Then Mark O`Mara -- Mark O`Mara, George`s attorney from the murder trial, shows up at the house, is there for a while, leaves and then all of a sudden Shellie is simpatico with George again.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What are you suggesting? I mean, Mark O`Mara is a stand-up guy. I do not associate him with any of his clients. Nor do I associate any attorneys with their clients. They`ve got to defend people. That`s what defense attorneys do.

GORDON: This is -- this is what it is, if you take down -- if you take down George...

DELONG: What would he be doing there?

WALSH: He would be doing his job.

GORDON: If you take out George -- if you take out George, and even the wife knows that...

WALSH: He`s not her lawyer.

GORDON: There may be some deals on the table that she knows about.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, wait.

GORDON: And if you take out George, then those deals would be off the table.

TAAFFE: Walk in there and say don`t charge my client.

GORDON: He doesn`t have to have power. I`m sure he has influence to communicate with the wife.

TAAFFE: That`s you trying to connect the dots here.

GORDON: They`re easy to connect.

TAAFFE: You know, it`s a simple procedure in a domestic violence call.

WALSH: Jane -- Jane, we can sum it up easily.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold on. Let Wendy Walsh sum it up for a second. Go ahead.

WALSH: OK. We can sum it up. There is a fine line between love and hate, and when people are divorcing emotions run high. And their very much intrinsic animal instincts will come out when they want to defend themselves. They feel fear.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know what? I got divorced. I went to a peaceful mediator, and then my husband and I went to have lunch. And we`re still friends. I talked to him last week. Doesn`t have to be that way.

On the other side of the break we`re going to talk to Tanya Young Williams. Thank you for your patience, Tanya.

Thank you, viewers. Stay right there. We`re just getting started.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maybe she`s just tired that now he`s become infamous and her life is going to be very hard to live with him, and right now he`s just not worth the -- not worth the risk she has to take to be with him.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he inside now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: No. He`s in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying step closer. He`s just threatening all of us with his firearm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Step closer and what?

S. ZIMMERMAN: And he`s going to shoot us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is Shellie Zimmerman, the estranged wife of George Zimmerman, calling 911 this afternoon and the police swarmed the house that apparently belongs to her dad as she accused George of punching her father, George`s father-in-law, in the nose, knocking off his glasses and also scratching her iPad. And she said she was scared.

At one point she was like, "Dad, go into the house. Go in the house."

We`re going to get some breaking news in a second on whether or not George Zimmerman is believed to have had a gun during this altercation.

But first, what is Shellie Zimmerman going through? Well, we have a woman who knows. Tanya Young Williams stood through her husband as he went through this absolutely insane trial. Your husband, an NBA star, Jason Williams, shot and killed his limo driver. And he went through a lengthy trial. The jury deadlocked on manslaughter. Eventually, he pleaded guilty to assault.

You lived through all this. You stood by him, but then you became estranged after the trial. I mean, why after? Why not at the very beginning?

TANYA YOUNG WILLIAMS, EX-WIFE OF JASON WILLIAMS: Well, Jane, when you -- when someone you love has, as Jason did, an accident, which is very different from George Zimmerman, which is a purposeful killing, but when someone you love goes through a trying situation, that is not the time to leave them, because you still love them.

And when you`re in the throes of the trial you actually become closer because it is an all-consuming experience in your life. You eat, you sleep, you drink, everything is about the trial and fighting for freedom.

But you find oftentimes once the trial is over you don`t have that commonality. The conversations, you -- there`s a loss in conversation, and you start to figure out what is this relationship really about? Because we don`t have the same bond, which would have been the trial that`s keeping us together.

I would have to say when I listen to George Zimmerman and Shellie talk on the phone, even when they were trying to hide the money, I said then, this does not seem like a couple that`s in love. And therefore I felt that he was using her for the trial. He needed her support. She was gullible enough to believe that he loved her, and she stood by his side.

It`s very, very tough to leave a situation and then the person you love for the most part says, "I`m done, thank you. I`m over it."

And she got to the point where she said, "You know what? I can do well enough by myself." And there is a saying that says hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. And he scorned her, and she`s coming back for him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I mean, she seemed so happy. She was crying tears of joy -- you see it right there -- when her husband is acquitted and then -- then August 13, a month after the not-guilty verdict, she`s -- they get separated.

WILLIAMS: Jane, it`s an emotional experience. Going through trial, speaking with lawyers. You`re living this daily every day with the news hanging over your head. What`s going to happen next?

And when you find out that the answer is for her not guilty, it`s the tears of relief. And I think she did love George. Because he is a narcissist and because he is a manipulator, he in fact manipulated her so she would be the piece of candy he needed by his side during this trial. When it was over, George went back to George.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to give Frank the opportunity. Frank, you`re his friend. You hear that he`s being called a narcissist, a manipulator. What say you?

TAAFFE: Well, let`s go back to the relationship, since the young lady knows so much about them, that she was in love with him. You know, you`ve got to understand, George worked full-time while she was going to school full-time. He loved her enough to say, "You know what? I want you to have a career. So I`m going to work full-time until" -- to allow her to go and finish her nursing degree. So let`s go back to the premise here of who really loved who.

Now you take...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank, why do you think they broke up? Why do you think they broke up?

TAAFFE: Well, I think they have been through -- first of all, let`s go back to the night of the shooting. She was already living out of the house. The relationship was already at a breaking point prior to the Trayvon Martin purposeful killing...

WILLIAMS: That`s pretty much what I said was obvious.

TAAFFE: ... which was really self-defense. I liked the way she worked that in there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I did not know that. I did not know that they were estranged on the night of the shooting. This is news to me.

TAAFFE: On the night of the shooting, she was living out of the house. So already going into the trial of the century, according to Mr. Crump, this -- this trial went ahead and really put the strain on it even more. Now afterwards...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But, wait, Frank, you`re the -- Frank, you`re the one who said she didn`t stand by him. You`re the one that said she`s a convicted perjurer. You`re the one that`s always pro-George, pro-George, pro-George. And right now it`s, "Well, wait, actually, let`s tell the facts."

She wasn`t there. She did stand by him. She did lie, and he helped her. So maybe when you do that be a little more objective in your delivery.

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TAAFFE: I am being objective.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s extremely frustrating to hear...

TAAFFE: I`m illustrating the fact that she was there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... you put her down and then say she wasn`t there in the beginning.

TAAFFE: She was there as a face. She just put on a good face for the trial because you got to remember, she was guilty by...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ve got leave it there. Stay right there. We`ll be right back on the other side. We`re just getting started. We got breaking news for you about the gun issue.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She stood by her man like Tammy Wynette and she probably shouldn`t have. So that`s pretty much it. She did what was right for her.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a domestic issue happening at the residence.

CROWD: Trayvon, Trayvon.

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, ACQUITTED FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S MURDER: I just felt like something was off about him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

G. ZIMMERMAN: They said "Are you following him?" I said yes because I was in the area. And he said, "We don`t need you to do that." And I said, "Ok."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was being threatened with a handgun.

MARK O`MARA, ATTORNEY OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: George is a real person. He`s not just whatever images people flash across the screen.

SHELLIE ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN`S WIFE: He continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying, "Step closer," he`s just threatening all of us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news tonight, George Zimmerman back in the news. Of course, he`s the man who was acquitted in the shooting death of unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. His estranged wife Shellie called 911 this afternoon and says "Help"-- very afraid of her estranged husband, George Zimmerman.

Listen now as we play pretty much the entire 911 call for you beginning to end and then we`re going to debate it.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, do you need police fire or medical?

S. ZIMMERMAN: I need police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. We do have units in rout to you ma`am. Is he still there?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes, he is. He`s trying to shut the garage door on me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he inside now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: No. He`s in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun. And he keeps saying "Step closer." He`s just threatening all of us with his firearm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Step closer and what?

S. ZIMMERMAN: And he`s going shoot us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok.

S. Zimmerman: He punched my dad in the nose. My dad has a mark on his face. I saw his glasses were on the floor.

He accosted my father and then took my iPad out of my hands and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife. And there`s a Lake Mary City worker across the street that I believe saw all of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok.

S. ZIMMERMAN: He`s sitting in his truck right now.

He just showed up, but my phone died so I had to call you from my father`s phone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok. That`s what I was wondering. I was trying to get you back and it kept going to voice mail.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right.

S. ZIMMERMAN: But I`m really, really afraid.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have unites in the area where you`re at, ok. So just stay on the line with me.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Ok. Ok. I don`t know what he`s capable of. I`m really, really scared.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. There are multiple units in the area. All right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is -- you said this is Shellie, right? What`s your phone number that you`re calling on now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes. Oh, the police are here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is Zimmerman doing right now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: He`s in his truck. There`s police here with their weapons drawn.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does he see them?

S. ZIMMERMAN: I`m sorry?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does he see them?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes. They`re telling his bodyguard to get out of the way. Oh my God. Dad, get behind the car or something. I don`t know if he`s going to start shooting at us or not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you guys outside right now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes, we are and the police have their weapons drawn. Dad, get inside the house. George might start shooting at us. I don`t know. We`re going inside the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok. Go back inside.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Oh my god.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you guys both inside now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok. Stay in there. Ok? Let the police take care of it.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Ok. He`s got his hands in the air. He`s not touching his weapon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok.

Does your father need medical?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Dad, do you need medical? He says no but I think he does. He does need medical. He`s shaken. He says he feels like he`s going to have a heart attack. His nose -- yes, you do because your nose look like it`s all -- it could be broken. I think he should have medical. If we could have an ambulance come.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sure. They will have to stage. They won`t be able to approach until the situation outside is secure.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Ok.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Oh my God.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Oh my God.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You guys are safe inside, correct?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shellie, you`re doing really good ok? This is a tough situation for anyone. All right.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ll stay on the line with you, all right --

S. ZIMMERMAN: Ok.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- until our units can speak with you. All right.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Ok.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you ok? You said he did take something out of your hand. Do you need medical as well?

S. ZIMMERMAN: I don`t think so. Maybe just shock.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok. I`m going to go ahead and get FD to respond, ok.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Ok. Dad, get inside right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Make sure he stays inside --

S. ZIMMERMAN: Stay inside.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- until someone comes and lets you guys know it`s ok for you to step out. Stay inside.

S. ZIMMERMAN: Ok.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re getting FD (ph) on the line to come to you. All right. But like I said, they can`t come up to check out your father until they secure the scene, ok?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Ok. Hold on one second.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok, Shellie. Take a couple of deep breaths for me. All right?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Someone is in there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Excuse me.

S. ZIMMERMAN: There`s a woman in there. Oh my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh my --

S. ZIMMERMAN: Shellie?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Straight out to "The Lion`s Den". Oh my God, indeed. What an extraordinary tape and we understand Jon Leiberman, investigative reporter, you have some new information.

JON LEIBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, Jane. We`re getting a lot of information in from police sources. Sources down there in Florida are telling me that number one, a gun was never actually seen.

So in other words my sources are saying that Mr. Zimmerman never had a gun out. And in fact my sources are going even further and saying that they believe Mr. Zimmerman didn`t have a gun on him at all.

Now we can`t confirm that but what they definitely confirm is that a gun was never brandished, a gun was never taken out of the holster. That`s number one.

Number two, my police sources are saying that this is still an active domestic violence investigation on both sides. In other words, they`re looking not only at George Zimmerman but also at his estranged wife as well. And though they tell me it appears that charges are unlikely, in Florida, you can in fact file domestic violence charges without the consent of the victim. So if they have other evidence, surveillance video, other sorts of pieces that they could piece together they could indeed file charges --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And certainly in the coming days, she could file for a restraining order. She might be in the process of doing that right now. Oh, that rings a bell. Yes, another woman had filed for a restraining order against George Zimmerman eight years ago -- an ex-fiancee.

We`ll get to that. We`ll talk to somebody who was on the ground right near this location. Stay right there.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he inside now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: No, he`s in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying step closer. He`s just threatening all of us with his firearm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Step closer and what?

S. ZIMMERMAN: And he`s going to shoot us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok.

S. ZIMMERMAN: He punched my dad in the nose. My dad has a mark on his face. I saw his glasses were on the floor. He had accosted my father and then took my iPad out of my hand and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the circuit court of the 18th Judicial Circuit in and for Seminole County, Florida. State of Florida versus George Zimmerman: verdict, we the verdict find George Zimmerman not guilty.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s been less than two months since that extraordinary not guilty verdict and tonight George Zimmerman in trouble again, not arrested but accused by his estranged wife of punching her dad, his father-in-law, in the nose and she expressed a lot of fear in the 911 call that we played a second ago.

Let`s go straight out to Eric Sandoval, WKMG reporter. You`ve been on the ground where all this is going on. What do you know?

ERIC SANDOVAL, WKMG REPORTER (via telephone): We know that the house that this all happened in actually belonged to Shellie Zimmerman`s mom and dad. This is basically where Shellie and George were living the entire time the trial was going on and his whole situation was unfolding before the national headlines.

And ironically, this is only a stone`s throw away from the Seminole County courthouse where his entire trial was going on. It`s literally a block away from the courthouse.

So this afternoon Shellie was not supposed to be moving out of the house today. She was supposed to have been done last Saturday, moving out of this house. And apparently forgot a few things. Went in today with her mom and dad and her brother.

And George shows up. And that`s when the altercation started, that`s when words were exchanged. And that`s when he apparently put his hand on his weapon. We know that it was not brandished. It was not pointed at anybody. But he kept his hand on his weapon and apparently made some remarks indicating that he would use it.

He also allegedly punched Shellie Zimmerman`s father in the face. He was treated and was not taken to the hospital with any major injuries. Shellie and her family waited at the house for their attorneys to arrive before they gave any kind of police statement.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Eric?

SANDOVAL: That delayed everything by an hour, hour and a half. Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me ask you this.

There was a mystery woman, a blond in a long black outfit, maybe we have that video because at the very end of the 911 call Shellie says words to the effect of "Oh my God, there`s a woman. There`s a woman in there, oh my God." There she is. You saw her there.

SANDOVAL: We don`t know who she was. Actually it`s funny because George stayed hidden under a shade tree most of the afternoon. We could only see him from our chopper over the scene. And whoever that woman was, she wasn`t visible --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: There she is right there in front of his vehicle. There she is right in front of his vehicle. She looks like she`s dressed for, you know, a gala -- odd outfit to be wearing in a hot Florida sun. But I think it`s interesting because I wonder if even though they separated less than a month ago whether this woman is somehow, I don`t know, a love interest of George Zimmerman?

This is what I`m wondering because you know that there are woman who are very attracted to men who have been in the news. We know this for a fact from so many cases we`ve covered.

Eric stand by for a second. I want to go out to the phone lines. Charlene, Texas -- Charlene, your question or thought.

CHARLENE, TEXAS (via telephone): Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CHARLENE: Hi Jane. I want you to know that I am outraged. I mean outraged tonight for Mike O`Mara and Frank to say that it`s about pots and pans. Let me remind you, your panel and viewers. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of women die every year from being set on fire, strangled, cut and shot because of domestic abuse. This is nothing to take lightly.

I think that we came -- we had come along from O.J. Simpson. But I see we`re not making no progress in this area.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, listen, you make a very important point. And guess what, eight years ago George Zimmerman`s ex-fiancee Veronica filed a restraining order against George Zimmerman claiming that he had pushed her and hit her in the face during an argument and then he fought back and said "Well I want a restraining order against her, she was the aggressor."

But gosh, I want to go to Kelly Saindon. I mean this woman is making an important point. This is alleged domestic violence but then she takes it right back and fails to file any criminal complaint.

KELLY SAINDON, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, the thing about it is your previous guest mentioned it. If she said on her 911 call that there was a witness that saw most of this, the police don`t need her to sign a complaint. So they can use an independent witness to verify and press charges.

Right now I believe that your reporter, Jay, said that they`re working on that. I think they`re so scared of the assessment that the police department went through with the Zimmerman trial that they`re going to make sure that they dot their i`s and cross their t`s. I don`t think this is going away, yet. I really don`t.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Yes, a city worker saw all of it or most of it according to Shellie. If that`s true could he still possibly be charged down the line?

Stay right there. We`ve got lots more. Be right back.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does he look hurt to you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t see him. I don`t want to go out there. I don`t know what`s going on. They`re sending --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you think he`s yelling "help"?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. What is your --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Time for Pet of the Day, send your pet pics to hlntv.com/jane. Dexter -- party animal. I love you. Let`s go hang soon. Cliffy -- well, you`re climbing those stairs like it`s a cliffie. And Nellie -- she says "I`m a party girl but I like to hang in the grass." Now Buster says, "Well, these of my wheels. Come ride with me."

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And breaking news. We`ve just gotten word from WKMG. There could be surveillance tape at the house. Therefore, there could be surveillance tape of the entire incident. Let`s round robin it. J. Wyndal Gordon, briefly, what do you think will happen next?

J. WYNDAL GORDON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, it sounds like this case is not really going to go very far. In fact, when I was listening to what everyone else had to say, it`s almost seems as if there will be some -- you know Zimmerman has a knack for blaming the victims to make it seem like it`s a mutual fray, so that both charges would cancel each other`s out and that the case will go nowhere because no one`s going to testify against the other person. It sounds like that could probably happen in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you think will happen next, Tanya Young- Williams?

YOUNG-WILLIAMS: Jane, it`s important because of my stance with domestic violence that I say, as your call did, this is a very, very big deal. Domestic violence kills, and I hope Shellie Zimmerman goes back and thinks about what happened, is helpful to police. And if in fact charges need to be brought, she needs to bring charges, not just for herself but to empower other women not to be bullied and pushed around by the likes of George Zimmerman in their lives. This is a serious, serious issue.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me just say this, fantastic panel, Shellie Zimmerman`s attorney has spoken. You will hear more of that in the coming hour. Stay right there.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Psychologist Wendy Walsh -- 20 seconds.

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: George Zimmerman has so much trouble, Jane, managing his feelings. He needs to use police, lawyers and, of course, his gun. On top of that, think of his added celebrity. He`s got gun lovers sending him in money from around the country, hot women thinking he`s cool because he`s on TV. This is a man out of control and this is not over yet.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Thank you.

Nancy Grace is up next.

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Monday, September 9, 2013

What happened on Sept. 9, 2013, with Shellie Zimmerman's 911 call on estranged husband George (videos)

Like the rest of the nation, I am taken aback by today's turn of events in the Zimmerman vs. Zimmerman upcoming divorce case and Shellie Zimmerman's 911 phone call to cops alleging domestic violence against George. After media initially reported Zimmerman to have been "taken into custody", it turned out he was only questioned. Shellie Zimmerman alleged in a 911 phone call that George
Zimmerman threatened her and her father with a gun, punched her father in the nose leaving a mark and knocking his glasses off, and smashed and stabbed her iPad with a pocket knife.

"He’s in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying 'step closer' and he’s just threatening all of us." Shellie Zimmerman stated to a 911 dispatcher. She also indicated that George Zimmerman was trying to close a garage door on her person. The 911 call continued, "He punched my dad in the nose.  My dad has a mark on his face...he accosted my father and then took my iPad out of my hands and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife." 

During a press conference Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell stated that Shellie Zimmerman changed her story therefore they could not charge Zimmerman with a crime. Surveillance video from the scene of the altercation has been secured and should there be evidence that George Zimmerman threatened her, domestic abuse charges could be filed.

There are several scenarios that provide a possible reason for what occurred between Shellie and George Zimmerman on Sept. 9, 2013.

In the first scenario, we have Shellie Zimmerman, a disgruntled, angry woman who is filing for divorce from her husband, filled with anger, and called 911 out of spite. There is a possibility that she flat out lied about a gun.

There is also a possibility that Shellie Zimmerman was sincerely mistaken, thinking he had a gun when he did not. She may be overwrought with the stress she has endured for the past year, simply being George Zimmerman's wife, and be in such a highly anxious state while going through a divorce that she is having a hard time separating her fear from reality. 

Another possibility is that she is genuinely and sincerely terrified of George Zimmerman. She may not believe his account of what happened the night Trayvon was killed (even though she stated in an interview with ABC that she didn't believe Zimmerman would hurt Trayvon unprovoked), her sentiments towards him might have changed, and she might be on edge, and simply more fearful for her life and unsure of what George Zimmerman is capable of.

Now, the next scenario, in my opinion, deserves the most consideration and hopefully Florida authorities will consider this. There is a chance that Shellie Zimmerman called 911 and told the truth. She may have regretted calling police and felt bad for "getting George in trouble." No sooner had police arrived at the scene than media crews flew overhead, live broadcasts were streaming from in front of her father's house, and they were monopolizing news coverage.

If Shellie Zimmerman had been the victim of domestic violence, this would have been extremely overwhelming for her. There is a great chance that a domestic violence victim who is speaking out for the first time, could regret calling the police, especially when the event is being broadcast on the news.

Whatever happened, the investigation is ongoing and lets hope that the state attorney's office will make the right decision. If George Zimmerman is a genuine threat to Shellie Zimmerman, she needs to get a restraining order and take legal action to protect herself.

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