Wednesday, July 31, 2013

Taking a break from the blog

As you know, I am outraged over the Zimmerman not-guilty verdict. Some of you shared your contempt with me on Facebook and other networks; others took to this blog to explain why you felt Zimmerman was justified in shooting an unarmed teenager.

As a Floridian, I followed the Casey Anthony trial, moved on to the Jodi Arias case with daily updates, then went straight to Zimmerman. As someone who is not only a Floridian, but a mixed-race Floridian and an ancestor of the first U.S. black senator Blanche Bruce, I have always taken matters of racism more than personal. I feel compelled to stand up for racial injustice and my blood literally boils over the rampant racism that permeates this southern state.

Some were upset when I chose to violate free speech principles and not publish comments that attacked my views or opinions. Oh well. Get over it. This is my blog. If you want to spout off your racist, hateful banter, you can do it somewhere else. Others were furious when I suggested that the Sanford Police Department could be infiltrated with KKK members. I point you to this article by the Palm Beach Post.

Seminole County, Florida, and more specifically Sanford, Florida has an extensive racist history. I would dare say the city was founded in roots of racism. The only thing that I take comfort in following this travesty of justice is that the Sanford P.D. now has a black police chief. I also believe that is the sole reason that utter chaos did not break out in Sanford. If anything, now that Chief Smith is at the helm, there is hope that there will be fewer Trayvon's slaughtered on suburban lawns.

But I digress...back to my decision to take a break from this blog. I was so upset over the verdict and the circus that I witnessed (could the state of Florida have been any less prepared trying Zimmerman; why, it was almost as if they wanted to lose the case, that I suffered a three-day migraine headache. This wasn't just an ow-my-head-hurts-give-me-an-advil-headache, but a non-stop, three day torture session of pain-filled nights derived of all sleep. My eyes were sunken in with deep, black bags so that you could literally see my headache.

The same injustice that I watched in Florida break out in the Casey Anthony trial surfaced and I suffered physically for it.

If you followed my Tampa Crime articles then you are aware of how I reported on Casey Anthony and my pledge to stay current with her court news. If you are interested in the Casey Anthony case and any upcoming civil trials, you may follow here. Casey Anthony Latest News. Until then; I am taking a break.

I may...may...return for the Jodi Arias sentencing trial in September. That gives me plenty of time to clear my mind from crime.

I have looked at one too many autopsy photos, covered one too many missing children stories (though, you really can't cover them enough), but have followed so much heartbreaking stories that I have wept over victims, cried from my gut for the pain and agony people like Mark Lunsford have gone through and have experienced dreams where dead victims are speaking to me.

I simply need a break.

I need to focus on lighter, happier subjects; though it seems the harder I try; the more injustice cries out to me.

But that is okay. I need this break. I'm taking this break.

See you in September.

Let's just consider this my own, personal blackout for Trayvon Martin.

Saturday, July 20, 2013

President Obama remarks on Trayvon Martin (full videos, transcript)

On July 19, 2013, President Obama delivered remarks regarding Trayvon Martin's death and George Zimmerman's acquittal. The president reminded citizens that though the federal department is investigating whether Zimmerman violated
Trayvon Martin at 7-11 before he was killed
Trayvon Martin's civil rights, he credited the state with handling the trial in a just manner. He stated that it is state laws that govern crimes such as Trayvon Martin's death and Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

He said if protests turn violent, he will address that then, but offered points that he thought would be useful as the nation continues to focus on race relations.

You may watch the full video as well as read the transcript below.

Remarks by the President on Trayvon Martin

James S. Brady Press Briefing Room

1:33 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: I wanted to come out here, first of all, to tell you that Jay is prepared for all your questions and is very much looking forward to the session. The second thing is I want to let you know that over the next couple of weeks, there’s going to obviously be a whole range of issues -- immigration, economics, et cetera -- we'll try to arrange a fuller press conference to address your questions.

The reason I actually wanted to come out today is not to take questions, but to speak to an issue that obviously has gotten a lot of attention over the course of the last week -- the issue of the Trayvon Martin ruling. I gave a preliminary statement right after the ruling on Sunday. But watching the debate over the course of the last week, I thought it might be useful for me to expand on my thoughts a little bit.

First of all, I want to make sure that, once again, I send my thoughts and prayers, as well as Michelle’s, to the family of Trayvon Martin, and to remark on the incredible grace and dignity with which they’ve dealt with the entire situation. I can only imagine what they’re going through, and it’s remarkable how they’ve handled it.

The second thing I want to say is to reiterate what I said on Sunday, which is there’s going to be a lot of arguments about the legal issues in the case -- I'll let all the legal analysts and talking heads address those issues. The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. The prosecution and the defense made their arguments. The juries were properly instructed that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was relevant, and they rendered a verdict. And once the jury has spoken, that's how our system works. But I did want to just talk a little bit about context and how people have responded to it and how people are feeling.

You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away.

There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me. There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me -- at least before I was a senator. There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often.

And I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear. The African American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws -- everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

Now, this isn't to say that the African American community is naïve about the fact that African American young men are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system; that they’re disproportionately both victims and perpetrators of violence. It’s not to make excuses for that fact -- although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context. They understand that some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of a very violent past in this country, and that the poverty and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history.

And so the fact that sometimes that’s unacknowledged adds to the frustration. And the fact that a lot of African American boys are painted with a broad brush and the excuse is given, well, there are these statistics out there that show that African American boys are more violent -- using that as an excuse to then see sons treated differently causes pain.

I think the African American community is also not naïve in understanding that, statistically, somebody like Trayvon Martin was statistically more likely to be shot by a peer than he was by somebody else. So folks understand the challenges that exist for African American boys. But they get frustrated, I think, if they feel that there’s no context for it and that context is being denied. And that all contributes I think to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, that, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.

Now, the question for me at least, and I think for a lot of folks, is where do we take this? How do we learn some lessons from this and move in a positive direction? I think it’s understandable that there have been demonstrations and vigils and protests, and some of that stuff is just going to have to work its way through, as long as it remains nonviolent. If I see any violence, then I will remind folks that that dishonors what happened to Trayvon Martin and his family. But beyond protests or vigils, the question is, are there some concrete things that we might be able to do.

I know that Eric Holder is reviewing what happened down there, but I think it’s important for people to have some clear expectations here. Traditionally, these are issues of state and local government, the criminal code. And law enforcement is traditionally done at the state and local levels, not at the federal levels.

That doesn’t mean, though, that as a nation we can’t do some things that I think would be productive. So let me just give a couple of specifics that I’m still bouncing around with my staff, so we’re not rolling out some five-point plan, but some areas where I think all of us could potentially focus.

Number one, precisely because law enforcement is often determined at the state and local level, I think it would be productive for the Justice Department, governors, mayors to work with law enforcement about training at the state and local levels in order to reduce the kind of mistrust in the system that sometimes currently exists.

When I was in Illinois, I passed racial profiling legislation, and it actually did just two simple things. One, it collected data on traffic stops and the race of the person who was stopped. But the other thing was it resourced us training police departments across the state on how to think about potential racial bias and ways to further professionalize what they were doing.

And initially, the police departments across the state were resistant, but actually they came to recognize that if it was done in a fair, straightforward way that it would allow them to do their jobs better and communities would have more confidence in them and, in turn, be more helpful in applying the law. And obviously, law enforcement has got a very tough job.

So that’s one area where I think there are a lot of resources and best practices that could be brought to bear if state and local governments are receptive. And I think a lot of them would be. And let's figure out are there ways for us to push out that kind of training.

Along the same lines, I think it would be useful for us to examine some state and local laws to see if it -- if they are designed in such a way that they may encourage the kinds of altercations and confrontations and tragedies that we saw in the Florida case, rather than diffuse potential altercations.

I know that there's been commentary about the fact that the "stand your ground" laws in Florida were not used as a defense in the case. On the other hand, if we're sending a message as a society in our communities that someone who is armed potentially has the right to use those firearms even if there's a way for them to exit from a situation, is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we'd like to see?

And for those who resist that idea that we should think about something like these "stand your ground" laws, I'd just ask people to consider, if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman who had followed him in a car because he felt threatened? And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of laws.

Number three -- and this is a long-term project -- we need to spend some time in thinking about how do we bolster and reinforce our African American boys. And this is something that Michelle and I talk a lot about. There are a lot of kids out there who need help who are getting a lot of negative reinforcement. And is there more that we can do to give them the sense that their country cares about them and values them and is willing to invest in them?

I'm not naïve about the prospects of some grand, new federal program. I'm not sure that that’s what we're talking about here. But I do recognize that as President, I've got some convening power, and there are a lot of good programs that are being done across the country on this front. And for us to be able to gather together business leaders and local elected officials and clergy and celebrities and athletes, and figure out how are we doing a better job helping young African American men feel that they're a full part of this society and that they've got pathways and avenues to succeed -- I think that would be a pretty good outcome from what was obviously a tragic situation. And we're going to spend some time working on that and thinking about that.

And then, finally, I think it's going to be important for all of us to do some soul-searching. There has been talk about should we convene a conversation on race. I haven't seen that be particularly productive when politicians try to organize conversations. They end up being stilted and politicized, and folks are locked into the positions they already have. On the other hand, in families and churches and workplaces, there's the possibility that people are a little bit more honest, and at least you ask yourself your own questions about, am I wringing as much bias out of myself as I can? Am I judging people as much as I can, based on not the color of their skin, but the content of their character? That would, I think, be an appropriate exercise in the wake of this tragedy.

And let me just leave you with a final thought that, as difficult and challenging as this whole episode has been for a lot of people, I don’t want us to lose sight that things are getting better. Each successive generation seems to be making progress in changing attitudes when it comes to race. It doesn’t mean we’re in a post-racial society. It doesn’t mean that racism is eliminated. But when I talk to Malia and Sasha, and I listen to their friends and I seem them interact, they’re better than we are -- they’re better than we were -- on these issues. And that’s true in every community that I’ve visited all across the country.

And so we have to be vigilant and we have to work on these issues. And those of us in authority should be doing everything we can to encourage the better angels of our nature, as opposed to using these episodes to heighten divisions. But we should also have confidence that kids these days, I think, have more sense than we did back then, and certainly more than our parents did or our grandparents did; and that along this long, difficult journey, we’re becoming a more perfect union -- not a perfect union, but a more perfect union.

Thank you, guys.

1:52 P.M. EDT

Anderson Cooper talks to Trayvon Martin's parents after Zimmerman acquitted (videos, transcripts)

On July 18, 2013, Trayvon Martin's parents Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton broke their silence after the man who admitted to killing their son was acquitted. George Zimmerman was found not guilty by a jury of his peers, leaving the Martin family in heartbreak as they continue to seek justice for their 17-year-old son.
Zimmerman shot Martin in the heart after saying he followed the teen he suspected of committing a crime. Zimmerman claimed Martin surprised him then beat his head against concrete, forcing him to shoot in self-defense. The state of Florida said that Zimmerman pursued Martin, putting into motion a series of events that culminated in a physical struggle between the two. They disagreed that Zimmerman needed to use deadly force to end the conflict.

You may watch the full video from Anderson Cooper's interview with Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton as well as read the full transcript below.

Trayvon Martin's parents and his brother Jahvaris Fulton spoke to Dr. Drew. You may watch that video interview here.



Interview with Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton

Aired July 18, 2013 - 20:00 ET


ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, everyone.

Tonight, a mother and father who lost a son.

At the end of the day for Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, the parents of Trayvon Martin, it is just that simple and just that sad.

The jury's decision may add to the burden. A country taking up a vital debate in their son's name may ease it a little. None of it changes the ache of absence that won't go away, the ache that all parents feel after losing a child.

Few parents, though, see their child described as a predator by some or adopted as a martyr by others or have some people define him to fit their agenda, whatever that agenda may be.

So tonight, as we talk about all the greater implications of the death of Trayvon Martin, we don't want to lose sight of the simple fact that a mother and a father have lost a son.

Joining me now is Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin and family attorney, Benjamin Crump.

Thank you very much for -- for being with us.


COOPER: First of all, how -- how are you holding up?

SYBRINA FULTON, TRAYVON MARTIN'S MOTHER: It's very difficult, but I'm just taking one day at a time. It's very difficult.

COOPER: Tracy, for you?

TRACY MARTIN, TRAYVON MARTIN'S FATHER: It's tough. We're just trying to stay strong. We understand that we have to stay strong for each other, our families. And we'll continue to take it one day at a time.

COOPER: You were there in the trial every day. And at times, you had to leave because -- because some of the testimony was too hard to hear.

But were there days where you just thought, I can't -- I can't go there today or I mean I can't do this? FULTON: No, I never thought that, um, every morning I got up with Trayvon in mind. And I said, I have to do this, I have to go, I have to just withstand just the -- just the trial process.

So I made myself go. It was no doubt in my mind that I needed to be there.

There were times, not necessarily the testimony, but a lot more the pictures for me, the 911 call, where it just seemed so final. The pictures that the medical examiners, the pictures at the site, those things were more hurtful to me.

And sometimes I could sit through it. And at times, I just needed to just go by myself and just say a prayer and ask God to strengthen me, because it was very difficult.

COOPER: What did you -- what did you hope the message of you both being there for your son during that trial -- did you hope that it would send a message to the jury?

Did you hope that it would send a message to all those who were watching?

FULTON: The most important purpose was to give Trayvon a voice, because he's not here to say anything for himself. So we thought in our minds that we needed to be there to represent him, to show a face with Trayvon Martin's name, OK, these are the parents and this is the family. These are the attorneys.

So we -- we just felt that it was important that will be there just to represent him.

COOPER: And were there times sitting there hearing other people talk about your son, whether they were friends of your son or people who didn't know him or people adver -- you know, for the defense, were there times where you just thought that I don't know who they're talking about, that is not -- that's not my son?

MARTIN: Definitely. There was a lot of times during the court proceedings that we said to ourselves that that wasn't the Trayvon that we raised, that wasn't the Trayvon that we knew and that we loved. And we felt as though they were just mischaracterizing him. And we know that wasn't the Trayvon that we raised.

COOPER: Were there, to be in a courtroom with the man who killed your son, did he ever say anything to you or look at you or was there ever any kind of eye contact exchanged?

MARTIN: Never. We refrained from even looking his way. We didn't want our emotions to run high, because we knew that our son's legacy was lying -- is lying in our hands. We are the face of Trayvon. The juries -- that courtroom, we needed to be in the courtroom to let the court see that we were Trayvon. He wasn't there to defend himself, to tell his side of the story.

We couldn't tell his story, but we wanted to assure them that we were there 110 percent for him.

COOPER: When I talked to Daryl Parks one day, one of our attorneys, and he said that you all had talked ahead of time about not being there on the day the verdict came down.

Why did you not want to be there on that day?

And how did you actually hear about the verdict?

FULTON: We didn't want to be there because we were told by the court system that there were -- you couldn't do any outbursts. You couldn't say anything. You couldn't have any reaction. And we thought that was going to be pretty difficult for us either way.

Through our attorneys' advice, they told us -- they suggested to us that we not be there. And we kind of weighed both sides and said maybe this is not a good thing for us to be there, because either way, we -- how could you be quiet?

How could you not say anything?

How could you not show any emotions?

So I think by us not being there, it took the sting out of people seeing us react to it, because it literally broke us down.

COOPER: When you heard the verdict on television...


COOPER: -- you broke down?


COOPER: How could you not, I guess?

Did it come as a total shock?

I mean there were, you know, some legal analysts who were watching the trial that felt the prosecution wasn't presenting the case like some of the analysts wanted them to present it or felt that they could have presented it.

Did it -- did it come as just a complete shock?

FULTON: It came as a complete shock for me. And the reason I say that is because I just look at people as people. And I thought for sure that the jury looked at Trayvon as an average teenager that was minding his own business, that wasn't committing any crime, that was coming home from the store and were feet away from where he was actually going.

And I just believed that they realized that. But when I heard the verdict, I kind of understand the disconnect in that maybe they didn't see Trayvon as their son. They didn't see Trayvon as a teenager. They didn't see Trayvon as just a human being that was minding his own business.

COOPER: When it was six women selected, most of them, I think -- or nearly all of them mothers, you felt the fact that they are mothers, they might understand some of your pain, they might understand what it's like to have a son, is that that you're saying?

FULTON: Well, I just looked at them as people. I'm not particularly saying that because they were mothers I assumed that they would say that he was guilty. But I just thought the human side of them, the human side of them would say, listen, this was a kid. This guy made a mistake. This wasn't a burglar.

And just for them to suggest that, uh, that he was a burglar or that by any means he was doing -- committing any crime, it's just not true. It's absolutely not true.

COOPER: When Mark Geragos, one of our legal analysts, he said that when the jury was selected, he felt the trial was over then because of the makeup of the jury.

Did you have any concerns, Tracy, about the makeup of the jury, the six, you know, no African-Americans on the jury?

There have been studies in -- by economists in Florida -- I looked at studies, one study from 2000 and 2010 that all white juries convict black defendants 16 percent more often than a white defendant. And if there's just one African-American on that jury, it's about equal then, that that discrepancy goes down.

Did you have any concerns along those lines?

MARTIN: I didn't have any concerns about it because we thought that there was enough evidence there, no matter who was on that jury, to convict him of second degree murder.

And when you think about it, I think that they just took into account what George Zimmerman said was the truth. Trayvon wasn't here to tell his story.

But the mindset of that juror, they -- some of them had their minds made up no matter what story was told.


BENJAMIN CRUMP, MARTIN FAMILY ATTORNEY: I'll say, we have always said this was going to be a litmus test on how far we had come in equal justice, because you wanted to believe no matter who's on a jury, that the victim, whoever they may be, could get a fair trial. And we were hoping for that.

But as Mr. Martin was alluding to, they never saw Trayvon's perspective. They never looked at it. When you listen to the person you interviewed, they always looked at it from the adult perspective. They never looked at it from a child's perspective, trying to get home, running. If you went with the objective evidence, in that Trayvon was defending his life. He went to his grave not knowing who this creepy strange man was.

COOPER: We've got to take a quick break.

When we come back, I want to talk more about what the jury perceived. As you know, I interviewed Juror B-37. I'm going to play just a few of the things that she said and have you respond to them.

We'll be right back.


COOPER: Welcome back. We're talking tonight with Trayvon Martin's parents about the son they knew. Juror B37, when she spoke exclusively on 360, says she had a clear picture of George Zimmerman from the trial but only a hazy one of Trayvon Martin.



COOPER: You call George Zimmerman George. Do you feel like you know him?

JUROR B37, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: I do. I feel like I know everybody.

COOPER: You called Trayvon, Trayvon as well.

JUROR B37: I did. Trayvon wasn't as well known by us because there wasn't as much said about him. All we really heard about Trayvon was the phone call that he had and the evidence they had found on him. We basically had no information what kind of a boy Trayvon was, what he did. We knew where he went to school and that was pretty much about it, and he lived in Miami. That's pretty much all the information we knew about him.


COOPER: I'm back now with Tracy Martin, Sybrina Fulton, their family attorney Benjamin Crump. When you hear that this juror and I'm assuming most of the other jurors, didn't really feel like they knew your son. At the end of hearing all this evidence, that's got to be difficult to hear.

FULTON: I think they knew Trayvon was 17 years old. They heard that during the trial. It's a lot of things that were not said about Trayvon during the trial. But you -- they knew that he was a teenager. They knew that he was on his way home. They knew that he had went to the store. They knew that he ran. They knew that he felt that George Zimmerman was creepy. So there are some things they did know about Trayvon.

They may -- didn't understand why he didn't go home, well, if someone is following me in a vehicle and following me on foot, I wouldn't go home either. So there are some things that they know about teenagers in general even without specifically saying, well, Trayvon was a little playful. Trayvon likes to be around kids. Trayvon is more affection. Even if they didn't know that, they knew that Trayvon was a teenager. They knew that Trayvon had just turned 17, he was 16 years and 21 days, and that was stated by the prosecution at the trial. So they knew exactly how old he was.


COOPER: So you felt they knew enough in --

FULTON: I felt they knew enough.

COOPER: Related to this crime.

FULTON: I felt that they knew enough. They knew that he had gone to the store. They knew that he had purchased some items from the store, which was the drink and candy. How much do you need to know?

COOPER: Ben, do you think it would have made a difference if the jury, I don't know, if sympathized is the right word or felt that they connected with him. Clearly, she feels she knew what was in George Zimmerman's heart because at one point she actually said that in the interview, you know, his heart was in the right place.

CRUMP: Right.

COOPER: It seems like she didn't understand or know she felt enough about Trayvon Martin.

CRUMP: Well, I've heard Sunny Hostin and Mark Geragos on your show and how they talk about looking through their prism, trying to see how they evaluate people. The thing that was so troubling when I watched that interview was how she said in their community, they, and she almost said like they were from a different world. And that's what you hope wouldn't happen, but unfortunately with that verdict, it suggests that they were from a different world because -- as Sybrina has said, if this was their child, if this was one of their children, five of them had children, what would they say about their child running from a strange person and then minutes later there is a bullet in his heart?

Do you think they would see the acts of the adult as being culpable or as they did in your interview and say it was Trayvon's fault for not getting home?

COOPER: Well, in fact, the -- what you mentioned, what the juror said, I want to play that for our viewers because it was in relation to Rachel Jeantel, who's Trayvon's friend who testified and again, this juror didn't feel that she connected, I guess, with -- with that witness, and Rachel was one of the few witnesses who was a friend of Trayvon Martin who could talk about him and talk about what they were talking about on the phone in those final moments.

Let's just play what she said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: So that term creepy ass cracker that Rachel Jeantel said Trayvon had used, you're saying that's simply how Trayvon and Rachel talk to each other?

JUROR B37: Sure, that's the way they talk.

COOPER: And did you see that as a negative statement or a racial statement as the defense suggested?

JUROR B37: I don't think it's really racial. I think it's just everyday life, the type of life that they live and how they are living in the environment that they are living in.

COOPER: So you didn't find her credible as a witness?

JUROR B37: No.


COOPER: I got an enormous amount of tweets from viewers who watched that interview and said and overwhelming, they were -- the people who were tweeting me were saying that there were an awful lot of theys in that statement. They, they, and the viewers weren't sure whether she was referencing they, Trayvon and Rachel Jeantel, or they, African Americans, in general. I'm wondering as you hear that what do you think?

FULTON: I think it speaks for itself. She's -- she definitely has a disconnect. She's not saying that's the way teenagers talk in our community. She's saying in their community that's how they talk.

COOPER: Different from her community.

FULTON: Different from her community, so she makes sure that it was a separate community that she was speaking about.

COOPER: There's one other thing that she said, they clear -- and you referenced this. The state -- the jury, she, clearly bought the defense's argument about what happened. I asked her about that animation that the defense put on in their closing argument and she said she believes that was pretty accurate, and even though no one actually finally saw what was happening, that was just based on the defense's.

So she bought into the idea that Trayvon Martin threw the first punch. I just want to listen a little bit what she said.


JUROR B37: I think the roles changed. I think -- I think George got in a little bit too deep, which he shouldn't have been there, but Trayvon decided that he wasn't going to let him scare him and get the one-over -- up on him or something, and I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him.

COOPER: Do you think Trayvon Martin played a role in his own death, that this wasn't just something that happened to him, this is something he also --

JUROR B37: Oh, I believe he played a huge role in his death.


COOPER: Does it surprise you how much the jury seemed to agree with the defense's version of events?

MARTIN: My answer to that would be what if it was their child that was murdered, that was shot in the heart? Would they feel as though it was their child's blame -- to blame for their death? I think that was a very insensitive statement coming from her, but then again, we see that she likes separating herself by saying they, they, they, so from the beginning of the trial, she had her mind made up.

COOPER: You believe she had her mind made up from the beginning of the trial?

MARTIN: No doubt. No doubt.

COOPER: And when you -- I think a lot of people are surprised that once this trial is done, George Zimmerman obviously is a free man, he gets his gun back. When you heard that, what did you think?

MARTIN: That's troubling.

COOPER: Did you know that was going to happen? I didn't even think about that.

MARTIN: I didn't know it was going to happen, but that's very troubling. And it's troubling because he made a statement that -- to Hannity that if he had to do it all over again, he wouldn't change anything. So coupling that with the fact that he's receiving a firearm back, that's very troublesome.

COOPER: You know, in the wake of this, Ben, the other day it was on a town hall we did on race and justice in this country, and there was a man named Charles Blow, who is a columnist for the "New York Times," and one of the things he said to me the other day and it really stuck in my mind ever since is -- he's African-American, he has teenage sons -- and he said, you know, I've always told my sons, don't run when the police are around because you don't want to be viewed as suspicious. But now I feel like I have to tell them, well, don't walk too slow because -- and Charles Blow asked the question, what is the speed with which an African-American male should walk so as to not be suspicious? And to have to have that conversation with your child I just found stunning.

When we come back, we're going to talk a little bit about what people should tell their kids now, and what you would recommend people tell their kids now about something like that. We'll be right back.


COOPER: As we were talking about before the break, the killing of Trayvon Martin has made a difficult parental conversation even harder as African-American parents try to figure out what to tell their kids about encounters with strangers and the police. And the fact that I even have to say it's African-American parents who have to have that conversation with their child, as opposed to Caucasian parents is a pretty startling thought. My parents never had that conversation with me about interacting with the police, but every African-American person I know, every African-American dad I know has had that conversation with their son. Attorney General Eric Holder talked about it in a speech at the NAACP just the other day. Listen.


ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Trayvon Martin's death last spring caused me to sit down to have a conversation with my own 15- year-old son, like my dad did with me. This was a father-son tradition I hoped would not need to be handed down. But as a father who loves his son and who is more knowing in the ways of the world, I had to do this to protect my boy. I am his father, and it is my responsibility not to burden him with the baggage of eras long gone, but to make him aware of the world that he must still confront.


COOPER: We've also been discussing what parents tell their kids about Trayvon Martin here on this program with educator Geoffrey Canada from the Harlem Children Zone and CNN contributor and "New York Times" op-ed columnist, Charles Blow. Listen.


CHARLES BLOW, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: I used to tell my boys, you know, don't run, because they may think you are suspicious. Well, actually, now I have to say don't walk slowly, because that also means that you may be suspicious.

We have to figure out what is the pace for which a black man can walk in America and be beyond suspicion. That is a crazy conversation to have.

GEOFFREY CANADA, EDUCATOR: There is a whole group of folks sitting here saying, so what do we do about this? How do we prepare kids to say to them, to grow them up to be a man, but under these circumstances you have to act like it's 50 years ago, right? That's not where we want to go in this country.


COOPER: Back again with Tracy Martin, Sybrina Fulton and Benjamin Crump.

The idea that -- Charles Blow's question of what is the pace with which an African-American man can walk is just a stunning one to me. I mean, I've been thinking about it every day since he said it. Is this a conversation you had with Trayvon, you've had with your other son?

MARTIN: Yes, definitely. By us living in a diverse community, diversified community, we really don't have to have the conversation where you have to be afraid of every different race, because they go to school, they grew up going to school with other nationalities, so the conversation that you have -- that we have is, you know, we try to prepare them to become teenagers, to become upstanding citizens, and how to conduct themselves out in public.

But when you have a situation such as an unarmed teen getting shot in the heart for doing absolutely nothing, you know, you have to -- you have to say to yourself, what is it that I can tell my child now? What kind of conversation do I tell him as far as going outside and conducting himself?

COOPER: And it's not just about police, it's about unidentified neighborhood watch people or unidentified security guards. What do you tell parents? What would you tell parents out there?

FULTON: That's a very difficult subject for me, because my older son, he likes to go out with his friends. He likes to go to the movies and things like that. I'm very afraid right now, because I have no clue what to tell him. I have no clue if I should tell him to run or walk, if I should tell him to defend himself or just lay there. I have no clue what to tell him. And that's some of the conversations that we need to have and also about the laws. We need to deal with the laws, as well, because my son was unarmed and the person that shot and killed him got away with murder.

CRUMP: Anderson, if I can say, it does lead to a larger conversation. Part of the -- a big part of law is notice. I think with the tragedy of Trayvon Martin's shooting has put all America on notice. And so what are we going to do about it now? Because once you have noticed, you have a duty. You have a responsibility.

Are policemen going to do better? Are neighborhood watch going to do better? But more important, is our society going to do better? Are we going to progress from this where it doesn't happen again because Sybrina and Tracy both have said, we can't bring Trayvon back but we're now worried about the next Trayvon unknown.

COOPER: Well, what -- I mean, you have teenage sons, what do you tell them? Have you had that conversation?

CRUMP: I've had that conversation and we continue to have that conversation. Sunny Hostin said something I thought profound, that was just profound when she said her son said, what did Trayvon do wrong? Why was he afraid of Trayvon? And that's what I tell my boys, it's so hard to be yourself because everybody looks at you through their eyes, and I -- I remember telling them if the police stop them, you tell the police I'm putting my hands up, sir, and you have to say that because when it's us, and I do a lot of civil rights, our children get killed in some of the most unbelievable ways.

And when little black and brown boys get killed, it's almost a cliche. Nobody says a word. When we started Trayvon's case we couldn't get anybody to cover the story at all. And we didn't even have -- we weren't talking about race because we thought it was outrageous when you had a neighborhood watch volunteer with a gun kill an unarmed child and so --

COOPER: It's interesting, though, because I mean, I do think, especially in white communities, there is this inherent sense of white privilege that the police are there to help you and, you know, talking to Jeffrey Cannon just the other day and talking to you, that assumption is not there in the African-American community, in many parts of the African-American community.

CRUMP: Absolutely and the conversation evolves. And as Sybrina says we have to take a negative and find something positive about it. We have to ask our Department of Justice can little black and brown boys walk down the street and not have private citizens with guns profile and follow them and confront them because we need to know what the law is because we got to know what to tell our children, and if that is not the law, then the killer of Trayvon Martin should be held accountable for violating his civil rights.

Because he had every legal right to walk down that neighborhood sidewalk and not be profiled and confronted.

COOPER: And yet, as you know, the Juror B37 and I'm assuming the other jurors as well didn't discuss race in the jury room. According to Juror B37. I want to play something she said. She clearly does not believe that race played any role in the profiling of Trayvon Martin at any level in this case. Let's play that.


COOPER: Do you feel that George Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon Martin? Do you think race played a role in his decision, his view of Trayvon Martin as suspicious?

JUROR B37: I don't think he did. I think the circumstances caused George to think that he might be a robber or trying to do something bad in the neighborhood because of all that had gone on previously. There were -- there were unbelievable number of robberies in the neighborhood.

COOPER: So you don't believe race played a role in this case?

JUROR B37: I don't think it did. I think if -- if there was another person, Spanish, white, Asian, if they came in the same situation they were Trayvon was, I think George would have reacted the exact same way.


COOPER: What do you think of that?

FULTON: I think that's a joke. Because he clearly said in the 911 calls that it was a black teenager, an African-American teenager, so that was the profile. That was the person that he was looking for because that was the person or people that were breaking in in the area. Unfortunately, Trayvon was not one of those people. Trayvon had every right to be in that community. Trayvon had every right to go to the store and come back in peace and safe. So I think that's really a joke. I don't understand why she wouldn't see that, but then again, there's the disconnect. There's definitely a disconnect.

CRUMP: And Anderson, I was going to simply say that now -- you don't have to deal with the issue. And that's the troubling part. And you have to look at the defense strategy. They put the witness up who said her house had been burglarized and so it all -- it was almost suggested that the neighborhood watch had a right to stop every black teenager who walked in his neighborhood and are we going to now indict people based on the acts of a few? Are we going to say the whole black male race can be profiled or if you have a white male do something, are we now going to say you can indict them?

Because -- it's really different when you have a Caucasian do something. Nobody says, that's how all them are.

COOPER: Do you think that -- and I don't want to put you on the spot about prosecution and stuff because I know you're thankful that it was brought to trial, but do you think race was not mentioned in this trial and prosecutors went out of their way to say race was not part of this. Do you think that was a mistake? Do you think that was just a strategy? What do you make of that, Ben?

CRUMP: Well, Anderson, I've always thought, and we do thank Angela Corey's office for bringing the case because most prosecutors wouldn't have brought the case, and I thought they got right to the heart of the matter as I've often said. But lawyers have different strategies. They did not want to get into the divisive issue of race. In fact, it was the defense who brought up race and they responded.

And it's interesting now because in the civil rights violation case, we do get to look directly at race which was not addressed in the state case, so it's somewhere where they minute for bad and minute for good, nobody can say we addressed race in the trial and so there should be something that the Department of Justice can look at with fresh eyes.

COOPER: When Mark O'Mara said after the trial was done in the press conference, he said that if George Zimmerman had been black, had been African-American, this would have never been brought to trial. Do you think if George Zimmerman had been black he would have been allowed to go free that night after shooting somebody?

CRUMP: Absolutely not. That's ridiculous. You can go to any courtroom in America, Anderson, and don't take my word for it. Just go sit in the back of any courtroom in America and watch how justices dispensed when it comes to young black males as compared to others in the courtroom. And I believe if the roles were reversed and Trayvon Martin shot George Zimmerman, he would have been arrested right there on the spot, hour one, minute one, second one if he wasn't shot.

Because when a black man has a gun, it's a different ball game. George Zimmerman had a gun and we saw how he was in the police station, it was almost as if not only did he profile Trayvon Martin but the police profiled him, too. They always took his perspective, never once seemed like did anybody take the dead kid on the ground's perspective.

COOPER: There is another case right now, a woman named Marissa Alexander, in Florida who her husband was abusive to her, has a long history of domestic abuse. She shot a warning shot, argued Stand Your Ground, she got sent to jail after the jury deliberated for 15 minutes, 16 minutes, she got sent to jail for 20 years, for firing -- 12 minutes, excuse me, for 20 years for firing a warning shot. They didn't grant her Stand Your Ground.

CRUMP: And that's why the town hall meeting that you had, Anderson, on your show was so important because we have to talk about these things because when certain people in the community keep saying there's so much inequity in the way the justice system treats us you say, we stop believing.

COOPER: It's interesting though, I do think in -- especially in a lot of communities, a lot of white communities, people kind of roll their eyes and think you know what, we have moved beyond this and it's -- you know, it's unfortunate that this conversation is often one sided. It's often coming from African-Americans. It's not a conversation that's engaged with multiple communities it seems to me.

CRUMP: And that's the beauty of Sybrina and Tracy, and the dignity at which they present themselves on behalf of their son because it's making us have to have this conversation, hopefully as a society. Now some people (INAUDIBLE) say we can think of reasons why we're not going to talk about it. We're just going to blame the victim, let's blame Trayvon, then we don't have to deal with it.

But if you look at it as a parent who cares about children and the young people, you say we can't have this happen to another young person and I think that's what they --

COOPER: Yes. We're going to take one more break and I just want to talk a little bit about the legacy and some of the work that you both are doing to keep Trayvon memories -- Trayvon's memory alive and also to try to change some laws. We'll be right back.


COOPER: We're back now with Tracy Martin, Sybrina Fulton and family attorney, Benjamin Crump.

I -- I don't want to say anything good can come out of this, because I don't believe anything good can come out of this, but what do you want to happen now?

I know you started the Trayvon Martin Foundation.

What are you hoping -- what change do you hope to affect?

FULTON: Well, the change that we hope to affect is with the laws. We want to make sure that any teenager that's walking down the street can feel safe, that they won't be killed and that they will make it home safely.

Another thing we hope to accomplish through the Foundation is to connect families that are victims of senseless gun violence.

So we, through our Foundation, we will be reaching out to other families that are hurting just like we are hurting. We want to connect with them. We want to empower them. We want to help them motivate themselves and encourage themselves and so that they can move on and have productive lives, because this takes a lot out of you.

COOPER: You must feel connected to so many others who have lost their children.

FULTON: Yes, we do. We do. And through the Foundation, also, through changing the laws, we want to have a mentoring program. We're going to have different pastors like come on the line, on our conference call, and pray for these families just to strengthen them...


FULTON: -- because, you know, these times are very difficult. And you're hurting and you have no idea what to do.

We also want to connect them with at least legal advice to give them some sort of direction.

We had Parks and Crump. And I thank God for them. But some people have no clue what to do when something happens to, you know, somebody in their family. They have no clue what to do.

We just had good direction. We were able to, you know, move on from what was happening through the Parks and Crump team.

COOPER: Do you believe the system works?

I mean haven't -- you -- you've had this horrific experience. You've seen the justice system up close.

Do you believe it works?

MARTIN: Well, we have faith in the system. But it's -- it also goes back to what your -- what you have to work with. And for me in our case, we just feel as though that the state did all that they could do with what they had.

Had it been investigated properly from the beginning, it would have been more overwhelming evidence.

Do the system work?

It didn't work for us.

But we -- we remain prayerful that the system, through this injustice, that we can build some type of -- we can close that gap and hopefully that the system can start working for everyone equally. COOPER: And you're hoping civil rights charges are filed, obviously?

MARTIN: Yes, but a bigger message, Anderson. The precedence is a terrible one that this case sets, that you can be the aggressor, you can initiate the confrontation. All the evidence say Trayvon was running away, but yet minutes later, he's shot in the heart. His killer said I was standing my ground and he gets to walk away free.

Now, the next young minority kid who's killed, what do you think they're going to do?

What do you think the killer is going to say?

COOPER: Have you -- your -- you have strong faith and from day one, you've talked about that.

Has there been any moment in all of this where you've doubted your faith, that's made you question it?

FULTON: Never. Never. The only thing I question is why we were selected as opposed to another family. But I've gotten over those questions. I've gotten over that. And I feel that he selected the right family. God wanted us to be the spokesperson.

So we just are being obedient to what we need to do and what God is telling us to do and what he's leading us to do.

So hopefully, we can find some positive, some bright side out of all of this.

COOPER: Well, your strength is amazing throughout all this and in the face of this. And it continues to be.

Thank you very much for talking to us tonight.

I appreciate it.

MARTIN: Thank you.

FULTON: Thank you.

COOPER: Thank you very much.

CRUMP: Anderson, thank you.

COOPER: Thank you, as well.

We're going to take a quick break.

We want to speak to our legal analysts, get some reaction from our panel, when we come back.


COOPER: Before the break, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton mentioned a foundation set up in their son's name. It's the TrayvonMartinFoundation, one word, .org. Again that's address. I'm going to tweet that out and put it on our Web site, as well.

I want to get reaction from our legal panel, Sunny Hostin, Jeffrey Toobin, both former federal prosecutors, Mark Geragos, criminal defense attorney and co-author of the book, "Mistrial."

Just, Mark, your thoughts on the conversation?

MARK GERAGOS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I watch these things and I -- from others cases. I never understand how people, you know, having a son about the same age, I just don't understand how anybody ever deals with this, so I mean, it's just tough to follow, it's tough to comment on. You just don't -- as a parent, to me, it's just unimaginable and I'm happy, I guess, if happy is the right word, that they are channeling it into a foundation and I think that's a great thing.

I just don't know how else you cope with things like this. I mean, the trial aside, the loss of a kid, of your kid, I just think I don't know how a parent ever gets over that.

COOPER: Sunny?

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, I mean, what I think is remarkable is that we see what a remarkable family this is. This is a family of grace and dignity and a faith and that was apparent throughout the trial, it's apparent now. I think what was interesting is that they still believe in the justice system. They say that the justice system may not have worked for them but they still believe in it, and I think that's a message to everyone.

But I wonder at this point, what does justice look like to them going forward? Will they get justice through the federal government? Will they get justice through their foundation? I think now we have to redefine what justice is.

COOPER: I thought it was interesting also Sybrina Fulton saying that, you know, that the jury knew enough of the important things about their son to reach a verdict, and clearly, the jury that I've talked to felt she didn't have a connection or understanding of -- of him as much as she did George Zimmerman.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: You know, I -- the rules of evidence are about a very specific thing. The courtroom, that's not how human beings interact in a normal way. When we ask what people are like, and you know, when we saw Rachel Jeantel being interviewed by Piers Morgan a couple of nights ago, we said, wow, this is a completely full different person, and that's how it always works in trials, that you get a very narrow slice of the facts presented in a courtroom, but people who actually know the people involved, always say gosh, but it's so limited. It's so incomplete.

HOSTIN: I think what -- although I think there was a missed opportunity here for the prosecution because -- GERAGOS: Hello?

HOSTIN: Because --


HOSTIN: Because the --

GERAGOS: Hello? That's you?

HOSTIN: Yes, because you know as a prosecutor, you always put the victim in the courtroom. You always breathe life into the victim, you always show the jury who the victim is and they did not --

GERAGOS: Without being -- without being sarcastic, is that criticism of the prosecution coming from Sunny?

HOSTIN: It is. It is.

COOPER: But, Mark, do you still you believe that this case was over? And I talked about this with the -- with the family, you still believe this case was over when the jury was selected.

GERAGOS: Absolutely. You know what I had forgotten which I have not mentioned but talking with O'Mara and West yesterday, that the prosecution used one of their preemptory charges on an African- American, that supports my theory, Jeff is going to cackle here in a second. It supports my theory that they threw the case. I mean, the idea that you would --

HOSTIN: That's not accurate.

GERAGOS: Did they use a preemptory challenge on an African- American?

HOSTIN: You can't say they threw the case, Mark. That's ridiculous.

GERAGOS: Well, I just -- can I ask one question? Will you answer this for me?


GERAGOS: You won't answer?


GERAGOS: They used a preemptory challenge on African-American. Their pretext was that he was a FOX News watcher. If that is true, then that supports my theory and I know everybody says it's fanciful that they just threw the case.

TOOBIN: Well, I don't think they threw the case. But one of the problems I have with these discussions about, you know, race and juries is that it leads to the assumption that every black person holds exactly the same views about everything -- (CROSSTALK)

TOOBIN: Maybe the prosecution was right to -- you know, Clarence Thomas --

GERAGOS: Can I tell you something?

TOOBIN: -- is a black person as well as Thurgood Marshall was a black person even though they disagreed about absolutely everything.

GERAGOS: Can I tell you something? Anderson brought up yesterday, I believe, a very good study that was done.

COOPER: Right.

TOOBIN: That is a very good study.


COOPER: The presence of one African-American juror makes a difference in terms of how they --


HOSTIN: That's right.

GERAGOS: You can talk about Clarence Thomas or anybody else. What happens, though, is that if you're in a jury room and there is six people, if you're in any room, there is six people and there is a presence of one African-American, somebody is going to give voice to the idea that Rachel Jeantel is not as -- you know, this word has been unrelatable as I think --


HOSTIN: See, that horrifies me, though.

GERAGOS: I know it horrifies you. But you're --

HOSTIN: I reject the notion. I reject that notion.

COOPER: We got -- we got to wrap it up. That does it for this edition of 360. Thanks for watching. "PIERS MORGAN LIVE" is coming up right after the break.

Trayvon Martin's family talks to Dr. Drew about George Zimmerman not-guilty verdict (videos, transcripts)

On July 18, 2013, Trayvon Martin's family appeared on HLN's Dr. Drew show and discussed their sorrow and anger regarding the George Zimmerman not-guilty verdict and shared a bit about what's next for the grieving family that continues to seek justice. George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26, 2012,
when the unarmed 17-year-old was walking back to his father's fiancee's home after buying candy and iced tea from a 7-11 store. The case drew national attention and prompted President Obama to speak out on the case. While Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara discredited the belief that the case was the most important civil rights trial this generation; it undoubtedly is the most polarizing.

Protests and marches have been organized nationwide following the not-guilty verdict. What is at issue is the account that Zimmerman stated transpired that fateful night.

While those who are pro-Zimmerman believe that the neighborhood watchman had a right to follow anyone he suspected of being involved in criminal activity; those who support Trayvon Martin say that he was racially profiled; therefore Zimmerman did not have the right to follow him.

The trial did not focus on whether Zimmerman abided by law by following Trayvon and if those actions instilled fear in the teen; but rather focused on the fight that witnesses saw in the seconds before Zimmerman opened fire and killed Trayvon by delivering a bullet straight through his heart.

The Department of Justice is conducting an investigation into whether Zimmerman has a history of racially profiling citizens in his community. If there is evidence that Zimmerman is guilty of racially profiling innocent citizens, they may choose to pursue civil rights violations/hate crimes against Zimmerman.

For those who support Zimmerman, they feel that he acted in accordance to law and felt that his life was in jeopardy and shot Trayvon Martin in self defense.

You may watch the full episode from July 18, 2013, Dr. Drew as well as read the transcript below.

CNN Dr. Drew Transcript


Martin Family Reacts to Verdict

Aired July 18, 2013 - 21:00 ET



DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Trayvon Martin`s father, mother and brother are here live. We`ll ask about the verdict, the violence and why they`re not ready to forgive just yet.

Our behavior bureau is watching. They are standing by with reaction.

So let`s get started.


PINSKY: Good evening. Exciting show.

My co-host is Samantha Schacher host of "Pop Trigger" on the Young Turks Network.

Coming up, Trayvon Martin`s father, mother, brother join us live.

But, first, the trial and verdict and aftermath -- we`re all still talking about it. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Even though you think the headset was off or got off in some way --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- that you could still hear a little bit?

JEANTEL: Yes, sir.

VINNIE POLITAN, HLN HOST: You`re nice and relaxed tonight, ready to go, right?

JEANTEL: Yes, sir.

POLITAN: OK. Oh, yes, sir. We`re not in court anymore. You don`t have to say that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My view -- my living room and bedroom is to look out at that courtyard, so hard to forget that`s where he had died.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re prepared for whatever verdict -- as long as it`s a just and fair verdict based on the evidence.

SHAHRAZAD ALI, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Twenty-four hour stress, that`s what we live in this country. It affects our vascular system. It affects our renal system, our nerves. It`s very difficult for us.

PINSKY: Ms. Ali, I don`t stress you out. Come on, now. You`re part of the family here.

JEAN VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN: An environmental crisis that is going to bring us all together as earthlings because we`re destroying our planet.

FRANK TAAFFE, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN`S FRIEND: It`s one day at a time here, OK, as we all trudge the road towards happy destiny.


PINSKY: Joining us, attorney Mark Eiglarsh, from, Crystal Wright from, Brian Copeland, talk show host on KGO Radio in San Francisco, also author of "Not A Genuine Black Man," and Ms. Shahrazad Ali, author of "Are You Still a Slave?"

George Zimmerman`s brother says if he ran into Trayvon Martin`s parents, he would give them a hug. He thinks his brother would do the same.

Ms. Ali, how do you think that would go down?

ALI: Well, I think that Trayvon`s parents have started to get bullied by the white news media and they are making statements and saying things that they know are not true but they think that`s the only way to be accepted.

PINSKY: Give me an example.

ALI: They`re dealing with a little bit of fear.


ALI: Yes. I think that they are.


PINSKY: Brian, have at it.

BRIAN COPELAND, RADIO HOST: I just don`t know how to respond to that. I just don`t. I think his parents -- you`re going to talk to his parents later on. I`m sure they`re in a state of grief and still in a state of disbelief.

I would not -- if I were Trayvon`s parents, I certainly would not want a hug from any member of the Zimmerman family at this point because justice hasn`t been done.

PINSKY: Crystal?

CRYSTAL WRIGHT, CONSERVATIVEBLACKCHICK.COM: I agree with Brian. I agree with Brian. Robert Zimmerman needs to chill out on some of these media interviews, as I would argue the Trayvon Martin family.

Nobody wants to hug -- the Martins lost their son. They`re disappointed in a verdict. They don`t want a hug from George Zimmerman.

Back to what Ms. Ali said. I really think -- I wonder if she, if Shahrazad is living in the same United States of American as I am because the white media, Shahrazad, has been very sympathetic to the Martin family. The fact is --

ALI: Hey, I don`t live in --

WRIGHT: Excuse me. Whoa, whoa, zip it.

The Martin family was just on Anderson Cooper. They`re going to be talking to Dr. Drew. They`re having the news media predominantly owned by -- I would say, yes, a white dominated media in America owned that is, is actually been very sympathetic --

ALI: You are so boring.

WRIGHT: It`s been very sympathetic and caring to the Martin family. I would argue condemning of George Zimmerman from the start. So, let`s talk facts.

PINSKY: Crystal, I`m going to let Ms. Ali respond that. And then I want to get Mark to close this out.

ALI: Good Lord, let me just respond. I don`t think that Crystal is in a position -- I do live in the same country as you but as you know you`re a little lighter than me so you get treated probably a little better.

WRIGHT: Really? We look like the same skin color actually.


PINSKY: Mark, I need you here. Mark, help me.

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Help you? You invited her on the show. Don`t blame me.

So, once again, we have a world record for Dr. Drew tonight. Ms. Ali mentioned white or black within about 1.3 seconds. That was a new record for her in her opening remarks.

COPELAND: One-point-two seconds actually.


And I will just say, you know, I think that Robert Zimmerman is just, I think, trying to express love. The Martins have every right to reject that. They`re not in a position to embrace him. That`s okay. They`re both OK.

PINSKY: Sam, last words?

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Yes, I want to say to Ms. Ali that there`s plenty of white people out there advocates for equal justice. Just saying.

COPELAND: That`s right.

PINSKY: Got to take a break. You guys stay with me.

Next, have you ever tried to get out of jury duty and were you ever called to be on something like the Zimmerman trial. Put that question to panel.

And soon, Trayvon Martin`s father, mother and brother are here live. You do not want to miss this.



ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: What do you think you were crying about?

JUROR B37: The pressure. The pressure of all of it and everything just kind of came to a head because I kind of tried to keep everything out, emotionally out during the whole process and it just flooded in after it was done. I don`t want people to think that we didn`t think about it and we didn`t care about Trayvon Martin.


PINSKY: Welcome back.

My co-host, Samantha Schacher.

Now, how many people actually served on a jury? Anybody in this panel? A show of hands?

COPELAND: I tried.

PINSKY: Ms. Ali has. Ms. Ali has done her civic duty.



EIGLARSH: Ms. Ali made the cut. Did they read her book?

PINSKY: Hang on. Has any of you tried to get out of jury duty?

EIGLARSH: I hope it wasn`t a domestic violence case.

COPELAND: I tried to get on.


COPELAND: It was in college. I had time off during a summer in college. I wasn`t working. I called and said I`d like to volunteer. They said, we can`t take you if you want to do it. That`s what they told me. We can`t take you if you`re volunteering because you might have an agenda, you might want to get on for a specific reason. So, we can`t take you.

PINSKY: Mark, your advocacy is your life. Can you imagine getting sequestered for 22 days and signing up for something as high profile as the Zimmerman? Can you imagine actually agreeing to do that?

EIGLARSH: No. My heart, Drew, goes out -- I`m glad you came to me -- my heart goes out to them. Justice is not whether you like the verdict or not, it`s them doing their job. My wife prefers carrots over cookies. I think it`s outrageous. But that`s her opinion.

These jurors` opinion is different than some people`s. That`s their right. That`s their obligation. They did the best they could. They need to be commended, not scorned.

PINSKY: Ms. Ali, I see your hand up. I`m going to go to you, but also in your answer, I wish you would address what it was you think Trayvon Martin`s parents were saying that was bullied from the media.

ALI: No, I just think they`re making them say -- they`ll keep asking them things like do you think this was racial profiling? Do you think the verdict had anything to do with race, and they`re making them say "no" because if they say "yes", you all will destroy them so they have to stand there and lie, you know at home at night and I know at home at night --

WRIGHT: They`re not saying yes.


ALI: They`re sitting there and they`re saying that it wasn`t about race.

PINSKY: Hold on. Crystal? Crystal, go ahead. You respond.

WRIGHT: OK. Shahrazad, stop misrepresenting the facts. I just watched the Martins on Anderson Cooper say, until the cows come home, that they felt their son was racially profiled, he had the right to walk around. Stop spreading lies.

Now, as far as jury duty --

ALI: It depends on who they`re talking to.

WRIGHT: As far as jury duty, stop it.

ALI: It depends on who they`re talking to.

PINSK: OK, hold on -- Crystal, go ahead.


WRIGHT: CNN has been -- CNN and Headline News and NBC has been more than sympathetic and taken up the charge of this young boy`s death since last year.

With respect to your jury duty, though, I think Mark is exactly right. I would not want the burden of those six women. I think we need to stop vilifying them. They did a very hard job under very extreme circumstances.

ALI: You would have gave the same verdict.

WRIGHT: We know what you did when you served on jury duty probably, oh, my gosh.

PINSKY: Hang on. We don`t know what Ms. Ali did.

How did you find that experience? And what would have happened to when you sat on that jury, Ms. Ali?

COPELAND: What was the case? My question is what was the case? What kind of case was it?

ALI: Oh, I`m not telling you that. You know you don`t discuss that after you become a juror. But here`s the thing --

WRIGHT: Oh, really?

ALI: This jury they had sequestered -- the jury they had sequestered they let them go and see certain movies. Do you know one of the movies was the "Lone Ranger"? What kind of racist movie is that?


EIGLARSH: This is a farce! This is a joke!

PINSKY: Hold on, why is it a joke, Mark?

WRIGHT: Thank you, Mark.

PINSKY: Why is it a joke?

PINSKY: Because this is so outrageous I cannot believe that she believes the words that are spewing from her mouth. It is. I can`t believe you find it`s unacceptable these jurors who only got a mani and pedi and blooming onion and got to see a damn movie, you`re claiming that of being racist. Give me a break.

PINSKY: Ms. Ali, take us home. I got to -- let`s keep it cool, Ms. Ali, we`re going out to Trayvon`s family. So, give me the last word.

ALI: Right. You -- we certainly respect them. And don`t curse at me.

WRIGHT: Nobody cursed at you.

ALI: Yes, he did.

EIGLARSH: This from a woman who advocates --

PINSKY: Everybody play nice here. Ms. Ali, thank you for joining us. Brian, thank you, Crystal, thank you. Mark, thank you.

We`ve got to hear all opinions here, guys. We yell each other do down and we have, vitriol, there`s truth in all these opinions and we got to tease it out. Too much emotion.

ALI: Poor Tonto. Poor Tonto.

PINSKY: For sure!

That`s another topic for another day. On television, it was played by a native-American which was at the time a bold thing. Next up --

COPELAND: Johnny Depp is part Indian.

PINSKY: I know, in the movie.

Trayvon Martin`s parents coming up. Cut everybody`s mike off. We`re going to talk about the verdict. Their son is there to talk about the backlash and what`s next.

Back in a moment.


PINSKY: Welcome back.

My co-host, of course, Samantha Schacher.

It has been less than a week since a jury found George Zimmerman not guilty in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Today, Trayvon`s family is speaking for the first time since the verdict. His parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin are here live, with Trayvon`s brother, Jahvaris Fulton. They`re discussing the case with CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin.

I will have Sunny take it away.

Sunny, out to you.


Thank you so much for joining me tonight.

And I was in the courtroom and what was so evident to me was that your family handled this tragedy with such grace and dignity and faith. I need to ask, how are you doing now? How are you doing when the cameras are off and when you`re home alone?

SYBRINA FULTON, TRAYVON MARTIN`S MOTHER: It`s hard but we`re trying to live a normal life. What used to be normal for us is much different now that Trayvon is no longer with us.

It`s taken a while to come to terms with the fact that he`s just not around the house. He`s not watching TV. He`s not gone to school and those type of things. It`s just difficult to try to get past just not having him there.

So we try to live a normal life. We try to, you know, have dinner. We try to, you know, go out to the movies and just do different things a family would do. So we try to get back to our normal activities.

HOSTIN: And let me ask you, you know, you weren`t there for the verdict but you were there every single day of the trial. Why were you not there for the verdict?

TRACY MARTIN, TRAYVON MARTIN`S FATHER: We just, through our counselors, through our lawyers and talking with each other, talking with family members, we felt that it was best that we weren`t in court for the verdict. We were instructed by the courts that they wouldn`t tolerate any outbursts of any kind.

And we really felt that it would have been hard to hold back our emotions either way the verdict would have came out. So, we just felt it was best that we weren`t present in the courtroom.

HOSTIN: How did you hear about the verdict?

MARTIN: The news. Kind of watched it on the news and it was even hard accepting it on the news. But, you know, we got several calls from several friends, family members, and I think it was just a time that there was a time, a personal time that we need to be by ourselves.

HOSTIN: You know, one of the jurors has come out to speak, Juror B- 37. She said she didn`t know anything about Trayvon, other than the fact he went to school and he was from Miami.

Do you think if the jury knew more about your son, the verdict may have been different?

SYBRINA FULTON: I think if they paid more attention to the facts that the direct facts that were said and the facts that were not stated. They knew that Trayvon was 17 years old. They knew that he had recently turned 17. The prosecution said that he was 16 years old and 21 days.

So, they knew that -- of course, he had a teenager`s mentality. You can tell by the items that he had on him, which was, I think, $42. I think he had the drink and candy that that told them a lot. That told a lot about who he was, by what he purchased from the store.

They also found out that he was on his way home. He was no burglar. He was just minding his own business. He didn`t trouble anyone. He was just trying to get back to the house so he can watch the all-star game.

So I think with those things in mind, I think they knew that. They knew the fact that, you know, somebody was following him.

And I`ve heard people say, well, why didn`t he go home? Well, if somebody is following you in a vehicle in their car or truck, and then they get out on foot and they`re following you, would you go home so that they can know where you live or possibly harm somebody that`s in your home?

People don`t just have people following them and they go directly home. I don`t do it as a woman. I would not go home if I knew that somebody was following me in a car and then they got out of the car and they`re following me on foot. I would not go home and take that to my family.

HOSTIN: Tracy, you mentioned on the stand that Trayvon was your best friend.

MARTIN: Definitely.

HOSTIN: Can you tell us what you want the world to know about your son, what didn`t come out at trial?

MARTIN: I think what didn`t come out, that he was a -- he was a loving child, a loving son, a loving friend. That he had -- we had talked on several occasions, where I had mentioned on several occasions about him saving my life.

His personality that we know of, that the Trayvon we knew spoke in volumes, just his personality. Him being around us, him being around his friends, the things that he would do for his cousin, his little cousins. He was a fun loving kid.

HOSTIN: And, Sybrina, tell us about his dreams. I heard that he wanted to be a pilot and even went to a science camp to study with Barrington Irving, who was the first African-American to fly solo all around the world.

Tell us about that.

SYBRINA FULTON: I actually have a brother that was involved in aviation. I don`t want to say convinced but he encouraged him to pursue aviation.

And Trayvon did. He went to experience aviation the program Barrington Irving has. He started going there like over the summer.

And he really enjoyed the program. He really was very interested. He would not miss a day. It was just something that he was focused on. He wanted to just be in the aviation industry.

I`m remembering one time when I went to pick him up from the program that particular day, they had a model plane that was there. He was like so excited he had flown that plane and he wanted me to see it and things like that. I had to get out of the car after a long day of work and just enjoy what he was interested in.

HOSTIN: Jahvaris, tell me what you want the world to know about your brother.

JHAVARIS FULTON, TRAYVON MARTIN`S BROTHER: I would just like to tell the world that I don`t believe he was responsible for what happened to him that night and he wasn`t on trial, Zimmerman was.

HOSTIN: Let`s talk about that, Sybrina, because Zimmerman supporters, as they`ve become known, really portrayed your son as this thug, as this gun enthusiast, as this MMA style fighting enthusiast, someone addicted to drugs. What is your response to that, that picture that people are painting of Trayvon Martin?

SYBRINA FULTON: Well, people say negative things when they don`t know a person, when don`t have anything to say. They don`t know Trayvon personally.

The people that know Trayvon personally will be willing to speak on his behalf. But, you know, I guess you will get a lot of negative people because they want to justify what happened. That does not justify it. Whether he had a hoodie on or he had a gold tooth, that does not define who he is and that does not justify someone taking his life.

HOSTIN: And, you know, you were tweeting throughout the trial -- not a lot but a few tweets. We have one and you said, "I pray that God gives me strength to properly represent my angel, Trayvon. He may not be perfect but he`s mine."

What did you mean by that?

SYBRINA FULTON: You know, some days you get a little weary. I felt each day I had to be there in court. I had to go. I had to represent him. But he is my angel. He watches over me.

And I just -- you know, just with the negative things, even when I look at Jahvaris, he`s mine. He`s mine. He`s definitely mine. So whether he is perfect or not, he`s mine.

HOSTIN: What teenager is perfect?


HOSTIN: Let me also ask you this. The juror who spoke out said she firmly believed that Trayvon attacked George Zimmerman. Was your son an aggressive person?

MARTIN: No, he wasn`t. This was -- like I said, this was an upbeat kid. He had no motive to attack George Zimmerman. And you just look and listen to the things that George Zimmerman said, he said Trayvon circled his car. What kid that`s minding his business would take time out of talking on the phone to circle a car of an individual that he doesn`t know. He`s not familiar with the area.

So just the thought of him saying that her believing that Trayvon attacked George Zimmerman, I don`t -- you know, it`s ridiculous. Did she ever think Trayvon had every right in the world to protect himself, to defend himself? Did they even look at it that way?

I don`t think she even looked at it that way.

HOSTIN: You know, we`re talking about a predominantly white jury. Five white women, many of them mothers. Do you think this verdict would have been different had Trayvon been white?

MARTIN: That`s a catchy question. I think -- what I do think is, had Trayvon shot George Zimmerman, he would have been convicted. Whether or not it would have been a white-on-white crime or black-on-black crime, had the verdict been different, I don`t know. But had Trayvon shot George Zimmerman, Trayvon would have been convicted.

HOSTIN: And I ask you this because this tragedy has mothers talking about this. You`ve become, Sybrina, you probably know, this iconic mother of brown boys all over the country. And as a mother myself of a little brown boy, I ask myself, what do I tell him now?

And my friends and I have all been talking about this. What would you tell us to tell our children, our boys?

SYBRINA FULTON: That`s a very difficult question considering everything that has happened. I personally don`t think Trayvon did anything wrong. And I think we need to work on the laws. I think we need to make sure that they`re feeling safe because if you have a teenager and that teenager is not feeling safe, they are afraid to walk out of their house because of what can happen and how people perceive them to be.

But I pray and I pray a lot. And I just ask God to cover my son that I have now, Jahvaris. I just ask God to be with him and cover him and just make sure that he is safe when he leaves and he is safe when he returns.

And then, I just shower him with love and that`s about it. I mean, that`s why it`s so important for us to try to change the laws and try to have these type of conversations, so that we are aware of what`s going on.

HOSTIN: More with the Martin family after the break with DR. DREW ON- CALL.


PINSKY: Welcome back. Co-host is Samantha Schacher. A reminder that the "Behavior Bureau" is standing by, watching this interview very, very carefully and they will be commenting in just a few minutes. We are privileged to have Trayvon Martin`s parents and brother with CNN legal analyst, Sunny Hostin. This is part two of their live interview. This is happening right now as you watch it. Sunny, off to you.


HOSTIN: Thanks, Dr. Drew. Sybrina, I understand that after the verdict, the day after the verdict, you spoke to your attorneys and said something that really struck me. You said, this verdict will not define Trayvon. We will define Trayvon. What is his legacy?

SYBRINA FULTON: Let me just say that one of the things is that I didn`t want the not guilty verdict to be the end. We need to move forward with the foundation, the Trayvon Martin Foundation, and we need to make sure that we`re active in helping other victims of violent crimes. So, I don`t feel like that`s the end of it. It`s the beginning of a different chapter.

HOSTIN: And Jahvaris, you`re involved with the Trayvon Martin Foundation. What do you want to see as a result of this?

JAHVARIS FULTON, TRAYVON MARTIN`S BROTHER: I`d like to see our foundation raise awareness about profile profiling, because we shouldn`t have to, but there is a certain way boys like me and young men have to conduct themselves in public, so that, you know, we`re not --

HOSTIN: Deemed suspicious?


HOSTIN: So, you`re hoping that the foundation will raise awareness. And how about you, Tracy? What would you like to see come out of all of this?

TRACY MARTIN, TRAYVON MARTIN`S FATHER: As far as the foundation goes, we want to help others. We want to continue to be advocates against senseless violence. We want to -- we want to continue to educate people, as far as the Florida statutes, as far as the laws go. We want to mentor young men and women, and we want to -- we want to make sure that we are the voice for Trayvon.

We want to make sure that Trayvon Martin`s name somehow will help -- will help heal the country instead of harm the country.

HOSTIN: And let me ask you this, Sybrina, when we first met a year ago, when this first happened, you were calling for an arrest. You were calling for a trial. You were calling for the process to begin, and you did get that. You didn`t get the verdict you wanted, but you did get the process. What do you think justice looks like for you now?

SYBRINA FULTON: Justice looks like, for me, laws being changed and young teenagers, young men, even young women feel comfortable walking outside. I think, you know, you don`t want your children to be afraid to walk in, not do anything and somebody deemed that they are suspicious. So, that`s just some of the things that we want to come out of the foundation.

HOSTIN: And, is this your work now? I know that you worked at the housing authority in Miami-Dade. Are you going back there or is this your work now?

SYBRINA FULTON: This will be my work forever. We wear these bracelets that say "I am Trayvon Martin" because we want to let people know that we are the spokesperson for Trayvon. I can`t say definitely if I`m going back to work or I`m not going back to work, but, definitely this is my life.

HOSTIN: And, we`ve talked about your family of faith, have you ever wondered why my family? Why did this happen to my family?

SYBRINA FULTON: Yes. When it first happened, I was like -- I couldn`t believe that this was happening to us, to our family. And, I can`t say that I wished it on another family, but I just thought, like, why did God select us? Why were we selected to be the spokesperson for gun violence, senseless gun violence, justice, injustice, stand your go around, self-defense and those things like that?

Just, you know, a spokesperson for teenagers. And, I`ve had this conversation with Jahvaris. And I told him, I said, God could not have picked a better family, because we are very close-knit. We surround ourselves with positive people. And we kind of feed off of each other. When I`m in doubt and I`m like, you know, weary, you know, other family members lift me up.

And sometimes, I have to lift them up. But we are there for each other. And that`s what`s important. And, our friends are around and they are positive and we just -- you know, we just look out for each other and we`re just supporting each other.

HOSTIN: Well, I think that your ministry going forward will be a gift to the world.


HOSTIN: Thank you. And my thanks to Trayvon Martin`s family. Now, back to Dr. Drew in Los Angeles.


PINSKY: Thank you, Sunny, and our thanks as well. Sunny, of course, CNN legal analyst. The Martin Family will be looked at carefully by the "Behavior Bureau" who is standing by and we`ll get their reaction right after the break.



HOSTIN: Can you tell us what you want the world to know about your son, what didn`t come out at trial?

MARTIN: I think what didn`t come out that he was a loving child, a loving son, a loving friend. That he was -- he had -- we had talked on several occasions, why I had mentioned several occasions about him saving my life. His personality that we know of, that the Trayvon that we knew spoke in volumes, just his personality.

Him being around us, him being around his friends, the things that he would do for his cousins, his little cousins. He was a fun loving kid.


PINSKY: Time for the behavior bureau. My co-host is here, Samantha Schacher. That was just moments ago, Trayvon Martin`s family telling us what they thought of the verdict in the Zimmerman trial.

Now, joining us, social commentator, Shahrazad Ali, forensic and clinical psychologist, Cheryl Arutt, psychotherapist and HLN contributor, Tiffanie Davis Henry, and Danine Manette, criminal investigator and author of "Ultimate Betrayal."

Guys, here`s what I want to do. I want to go around the horn first and ask you guys basically what you heard. Cheryl, I`m going to you first. Here`s what I heard. I heard a lot about grief. I heard a lot about trying to get back to a normal life and about trying to make meaning out of this through service. What did you hear?

CHERYL ARUTT, PSY.D., CLINICAL & FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: I heard the pain of a deeply wounded family. I think Tracy and Sybrina and Jahvaris were very well-spoken and talked about how much they loved Trayvon and how hard it was to go through this process, how traumatizing it was, but wanting to really honor the memory of their son and who he actually was not as he was presented in court.

PINSKY: Making sense of it through that. Danine, I thought it was fascinating that we heard from Trayvon`s Mother that she didn`t want him to -- she would not go home -- I believe you told the same story and you wouldn`t have gone home because the perpetrator would follow you back to your house.

DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Exactly. And Dr. Drew, my number one identity is that of a mother. Not necessarily a mother of brown children because all wounds are the same color, but just as a mother. And I connect with her on that maternal level. And I feel that pain, and it just strikes me so deeply.

Now, this woman is sitting up here grieving for her child, and that the killer of her child, regardless of whether he feels as though he was right or wrong has never once said that he would do anything differently, that he would make a different decision.

There`s not a day that goes by that I don`t make a decision that I second and third guess (ph). And the fact that whether or not it was his fault or Trayvon`s fault or whatever he believes, I think it`s a good time, the trial is over, for him to reach out and maybe say, you know what, I wish this hadn`t (ph) to happen this way or something, anything.

PINSKY: Tiffanie, how about you?

TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PH.D., PSYCHOTHERAPIST: You know, while I think that`s good in theory, I don`t know they`re ready to hear that from him. I don`t think that anything is really going to heal that wound right now except for finding the purpose in all this. She talked -- Sybrina talked a lot about why me towards the end of that interview.

And I think that`s a question that many people that are in the circumstance ask themselves, why me? Why did this have to happen to us and our family? And they`ve actually been able to find some type of perspective in that. And I think that, you know, as we think about purpose and we think about why we`re placed here on this earth is important to go there and say, why did this happen to me and really ourselves that because this is greater than them as a family.

It`s greater than Trayvon. This is what God wanted to happen because there`s something much greater that ultimately He wants to happen and I can`t wait to see what that is because Trayvon did not die in vain.

PINSKY: And that disbelief is part of the stages of grief. But again, spirituality, service, making sense to these things, connecting with people you love, that`s how people got through these things. Miss Ali, take us home.

SHAHRAZAD ALI, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think no parent wants to outlive their child. So, I feel so badly for them. The second thing I recognize in that interview was that there`s 43 million Black people in this country and we don`t have a Black news station. But the third thing and I think the most important, Dr. Drew, did you notice how they danced around the issue of race and what they feel about White people and that jury and everything else.

That`s what I`ve been telling you. They were afraid to mention it. They can`t mention it because so much fear has been put in to us as a people. We scared. We talk in the public about race that you all will get us.

PINSKY: Well, we`re not going to get you, Miss Ali. I got to go to break, Samantha.

ALI: No. I know y`all ain`t going to get me.

PINSKY: Samantha, just a few seconds.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I want to chime in after the break because I actually have a lot to say.

PINSKY: Fair enough. If you have a question for the "Behavior Bureau," tweet us @DrDrewHLN #behaviorbureau. We`ll be right back.



SYBRINA FULTON: And I`ve heard people say, well, why didn`t he go home? Well, if somebody is following you in a vehicle, in their car, or a truck, and then they get out on foot and they`re following you, would you go home so that they can know where you live or possibly harm somebody that`s in your home?

People don`t just have people following them and they go directly home. I don`t do it as a woman. I would not go home if I knew that somebody was following me in a car and then I -- they get out of the car and they`re following me on foot. I would not go home and take that to my family.


PINSKY: Back with the "Behavior Bureau" and our co-host, Samantha Schacher. We are talking about the interview with Trayvon Martin`s family. It was happening right here just a few moments ago with CNN legal analyst, Sunny Hostin. Back to Samantha who says she wanted to respond. Go ahead.

SCHACHER: Well, Miss Ali, I don`t know what interview you`re watching, but in that interview, Jahvaris said point-blank that he wants to raise awareness of racial profiling. And I`m so glad he said --

ALI: I`m talking about the parents. I`m talking about the parents.

SCHACHER: OK. I`m really happy that he did say that because the truth of the matter is we all make assumptions. We all have suspicions of people. And that night, George Zimmerman had inaccurate suspicions of Trayvon Martin because of the suspicions of the recent burglaries.

And if he would have just asked questions first, if he would have just rolled on up to Trayvon Martin from his car and said, hey, I`m neighborhood watch, can I help you out. Do you need a ride? It`s raining. None of this would have happened. Can you argue with that?

ALI: Samantha.

SCHACHER: What, Miss Ali?

ALI: Samantha, I agree that there are a lot of White people that want justice for Black people. They just ain`t never in the court when we`re in there.

SCHACHER: Thank you for saying that. Miss Ali, you had a breakthrough. Thank you.

PINSKY: She said they`re out there but just don`t get to the courtroom when the Black people are there. Tiffanie, you had a question for Miss Ali.

HENRY: I actually did have a question for Miss Ali. I wanted to know if she thinks that they`re afraid to address the race issue or if they feel it`s something that`s beyond their control, they can`t change it, so they rather focus on what is within their control or something that they can change.

PINSKY: Let me pile on a little bit and say or is that a bigger conversation that they will be leading us all into later?

ALI: No. They`re not going to lead us into that later. This is their opportunity right now. I think that they are not mentioning it. They`re talking about the bogeyman is going to get you. The enemy is out there, but they will not identify who they`re talking about. And that`s because they can`t speak that in the public because if they do, all of the White people that`s crowding around them now and pretending to be their friend will go away and they think they can`t make it without them. This is what`s going on.

PINSKY: Danine, help me out there.

MANETTE: Dr. Drew, one thing I appreciated about their interview is that we cannot erase the past 400 years of history. We can`t erase it. But the fact they are now thinking about something proactive. A lot of people spend a lot of time on this show talking about statistics and how many Black men are in jail and all of that, but what are they doing about it? What involvement do they have in the community?

These people are talking about a grassroots organization that they`re trying to get started to address the problem. We can talk about it all day, but what are individuals doing?

ALI: I`m doing something about it.

PINSKY: Yes, you are.


PINSKY: Hold on. I want to give another person a chance to speak. Cheryl.

ARUTT: Well, I`ve had -- I had patients today saying what can we do about it? I think this idea, this topic of what can we do in a concrete way about it is really important. And I actually did hear Tracy say something about the belief that if Trayvon had shot George Zimmerman, that he believes that he would have been convicted. And I do think that was an acknowledgement of the racial dynamics here.


ARUTT: But let`s see how we can be constructive now and do something.

ALI: Yes, that was code.

ARUTT: It wasn`t code. It was pretty clear. I know that you wish he`d been more explicit about it, Miss Ali.

ALI: Let me tell you clear. Let me give you clear. This is clear. What I tell my little son, listen, I want you to be careful. There are some White men, not all of them, but there are some White men out there that want to kill you and stomp your life out like they did your forefather. So, you have to be careful of the White police, the White storekeeper, the White businessman, the White everybody because they hate you.

PINSKY: Miss Ali, that breaks my heart. I hope you will come back and let me keep teasing that apart and understanding you because I do think there are people out there that believe like you, and to me, that makes me deeply, deeply wounded and sad and we need to keep addressing it. Thank you, panel. "Last Call" is next.


PINSKY: Want to send out our sincere thanks to CNN legal analyst, Sunny Hostin and Trayvon Martin`s family. Thank you so much for being on the show this evening. Samantha, you had something you wanted to say real quick before we go out.

SCHACHER: I just think that this case is a shining example of all the inequities within our justice system, and it`s polarizing but also creating a much-needed movement.

PINSKY: A movement and a conversation.


PINSKY: And I want to see Sybrina out there to continue to be of service and leading this sort of spiritual message she has. See you next time. "HLN After Dark" is up right after this. In fact, it starts right now.