Nancy Grace transcripts: Jodi Arias murder trial March 5, 2013 (full videos)

On March 5, 2013, HLN show host Nancy Grace discussed the Jodi Arias murder trial and the proceedings that transpired earlier that day.

Here is the full transcript from Nancy Grace.

Jodi Arias Continues Questioning by Her Attorneys
Aired March 5, 2013 - 20:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... memories of slashing Mr. Alexander`s throat?

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: No. I feel like I`m the person who deserves to sit with those memories that I don`t have right now. Things just get scrambled.

I didn`t consider when he pushed me down twice violent.

He kicked my ribs and it really hurt.

He choked me until I lost consciousness.

I just remember everything going black. I couldn`t breathe.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Introduced Mr. Alexander to KY.

ARIAS: Some of the activities that he wanted to do were painful without it.

I loved Travis Alexander so completely. It makes me sad and miserable.

I can`t quite put my finger on it, but something is just off with that boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Masturbating to an image of a child.

ARIAS: Shocking. I cannot marry him.

He won the wife lottery.

I took it as a very high compliment.

I was devastated when I discovered that he wasn`t being faithful to me.

I wish I could turn back the clock.

I just wish I could die. I wish that suicide was a way out.

I`m haunted by the love that he expresses for me.

He`s free to do what he wants.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You wouldn`t be available for Mr. Alexander to have sex with?

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) not special to me. It`s just a saying.

-- very angry and began to swear, banging the steering wheel, the angriest I`d ever seen him up to that point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ever propose to you?

ARIAS: Yes, he did over the phone once.

They were my actions, and it`s my responsibility!


GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. After a scathing cross-examination by the state, now it`s all on the defense. Can they rehabilitate Jodi Arias on redirect?

Bombshell tonight. Explicit sex secrets revealed in Jodi Arias`s private journals, in which she seemingly writes everything except a single word about Travis`s alleged physical abuse on her, child pedophilia. And now, after 15 days on the stand under oath, Jodi Arias suddenly remembers murder victim Travis Alexander proposed marriage. Oops! How did she forget that? You`d think that would be the first thing she testified about.

We are camped outside the Phoenix courthouse, and we are taking your calls. What a day in the courtroom today! Let me tell you, they get Jodi Arias back up on the stand to try to rehabilitate her on redirect examination. Jury`s still out whether the judge is going to allow any type of re-cross-examination. So what do they do? They rehash, rehash, including things that are damaging to Jodi Arias. And I`m talking about, among many things, the gas cans.

Straight out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session," in court from the get-go. Jean, what are the significant points that came out today?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Number one, back to that journal, the very important date of January 24th, 2008, two days after Jodi saw him allegedly pleasuring himself to pictures of little boys and then also the next day he breaking her finger.

And remember, the noteworthy part was nothing to report. Nothing`s been happening. So the defense showed there was more to that journal entry. It talked about the unconditional love that Travis had for me but yet his love haunts me, it`s the highs, it`s the lows, it`s the light, it`s the dark, trying to show that she is a victim at the hands of Travis Alexander.

But remember, she said she never wrote anything against Travis in her journals, but they`re turning that against Travis now.

GRACE: So they`re taking things that seem to be innocent and trying to interpret them to the jury to make them look as if they are alluding to the defense? Because that really doesn`t suggest that Travis Alexander was a pedophile.

CASAREZ: That`s what they`re trying to show, though, that the state of mind of Jodi was on those events, and that`s what she wrote about it. But also, let`s talk about the marriage proposal. She writes in her journal that he told her that he had won the wife lottery and that it was Jodi.

GRACE: OK, let`s listen to what happened in court. And remember, this is significant because Jodi Arias has been under oath, sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help her God, on the bible. And after 15 days of direct and cross-exam, she finally remembers, whoops, Travis Alexander proposed marriage.


ARIAS: But it still remains that I cannot marry him. I can`t quite put my finger on it, but something is just off with that boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was the subject of marriage previous to January 24th -- was that something that you and Travis were discussing?

ARIAS: Yes, we`d discussed it prior to that date.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And had he ever proposed to you?

ARIAS: Yes, he did over the phone once. There were times when he said it jokingly, but that one over the phone I believed he was serious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t quite put your finger on it, but something is off with that boy. What did you mean by that?

ARIAS: Well, that`s kind of my indirect way of referring to his issues that were in my mind, something I couldn`t look past and accept.


GRACE: OK. Something isn`t right. Something is not right with this picture. I`m going to go to you, Matt Zarrell. You`ve been combing over every word of testimony. And oh, by the way, they also lead Arias through the murder itself, I might add, which is, in my mind, a bad thing to do on redirect examination, when they`re trying to help her. But I will get to that in a moment.

We`re taking your calls, everyone. Matt Zarrell, do you recall the story -- and I believe she told it to "48 Hours" -- Liz, see if you can pull up the sound -- where Travis Alexander knew she loved Cinnabons. I think it was Cinnabons. And she had touched down or she had gotten back into town and said, Oh, it`s too late. Cinnabons is going to be closed. And when she gets home, or wherever she was going, there on the top of the car was a package of Cinnabons, and he had printed out a recipe how to make Cinnabons on pink paper and put it there for her. Do you recall that story, Matt?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, I do. She told it multiple times, Nancy. So she...

GRACE: OK, now, so this is the guy that -- that, Matt, will go to the mall, get Cinnabons, come back, put it out there with a rose or whatever he did, and he prints out on pink paper, pink perfumed paper, the recipe to Cinnabons and writes some love note. But this is a guy that proposes over the phone, Matt?

ZARRELL: Yes, Nancy. And in fact, one thing that`s interesting here about these journal entries is the vague references to negative things towards Travis. We heard the sound where she says, Something is just off with that boy. She also wrote in that same entry, There are certain things that will never sit right with me. Now, she is claiming that she`s referring to the incident with Travis masturbating to pictures of young boys, but she has no evidence to back it up.

GRACE: Matt, I asked you about Cinnabons, and you`re talking about masturbation! I don`t think that you, as a man, understand what I`m trying to tell you!

Let me go to Wendy Walsh, Dr. Wendy Walsh, psychologist, joining me from LA. Wendy, do you get what I`m saying? Here`s a guy that goes to all this effort just to buy her some Cinnabons and make a big production out of it after she mentions she wants them, and he proposes over the phone? And correct me if I`m wrong, Jean and Matt, Alexis, jump in -- she doesn`t mention in her diary she got a marriage proposal?


GRACE: Hello? Wendy?

WENDY: I think -- I think, Nancy -- yes, I`m here. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? My mike is on.


WENDY: I think she definitely lied about that, the big proposal. I`m sure they sort of joked about it, tested with it back and forth verbally at different times. But you`re right, Nancy, this was a romantic guy. He was hoping to have sort of a public, real-life romantic relationship some day. I don`t think he necessarily thought it was Jodi, but he was probably trying to shape her and groom her into being what he thought might be a wife. So yes, the Cinnabons and yes the pink paper with the recipe. And if he had proposed to her, it would have been done in a very romantic way.

GRACE: So this is all BS. And plus, Jean Casarez, I don`t think that she mentioned the proposal in her diary.

CASAREZ: We don`t know because that proposal was January of 2007, before they started dating. She had been seeing a couple of other guys, and he got upset about it because he said that they weren`t of the Mormon faith. And at that point, she said there seemed to be a serious mention of him about marriage with her. That`s what she referred to in the direct.

GRACE: OK. So Jean, listen to this. Listen to this sound.


ARIAS: I just personally -- I can`t see any motive for myself to ever want to do this, inflict this kind of thing on Travis, someone who`s been so generous, someone who`s been so kind, and someone who has opened up his home, opened up his refrigerator on many times when I didn`t have enough money to go to the grocery store and fill up my own fridge. You know, it was -- there were just so many things that he did, little things.

I came home from the airport once -- and he let me park my car in his garage so that it was safe while I was gone. And I showed up to get my car, and there was this -- there was this bag of -- bag on the hood that said Cinnabon. And he knew that I liked Cinnabon. And I remember calling him before I flew out of -- I was flying out of Salt Lake, and in the Phoenix airport, there`s a Cinnabon stand. And I always get one before I go on my flight.

And I remember lamenting a little bit, saying, Cinnabon is going to be closed when I get home because it`s going to be late. And so he went out to the mall and got me Cinnabons so I`d be able to have that when I got home. It was just little things that he did like that, thoughtful things. As well, he looked up a whole recipe on line for Cinnabon and printed it out on a pink paper and folded it up in there and put in there with that. And he gave me a $10 gift card for Cinnabon.

So it`s, like, just little things. Like, those were just -- that`s just one example of so many little things that he`s always done for me, and not just for me but everyone that he knew.


GRACE: OK, Liz, thank you for running that for me because it was a gift card to Cinnabon`s, not a rose, along with the recipe and the Cinnabons and all that. So the guy that does this is not the guy that says, Oh, yes, I`ve got to run, but will you marry me? Click. That`s not how that goes down.

And Matt Zarrell, I don`t expect you to really understand what I`m talking about, but from your perspective, Matt, give me the salient points of what happened in court today.

ZARRELL: Well, one of the big things is that, as I was saying, the vague explanations that she tries to reference these negative things about Travis in diary entries, but they have no way to back it up. Another big point here is that a lot of the (INAUDIBLE) they`re focusing on are in August and September of 2007, almost a year before Travis was killed.

I don`t know how much it would really go to Arias`s state of mind when talking about suicide 10 months before she allegedly killed Travis Alexander.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The events of June 4th, 2008 -- do you want to remember those?

ARIAS: There`s a part of me that -- that doesn`t ever want to remember, and there`s a part of me that -- I feel like -- I feel like I`m...



ARIAS: I feel like I`m the person who deserves to sit with those memories that I don`t have right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do you feel like you deserve to live with those memories?

ARIAS: Because they were my actions, and it`s my responsibility.


GRACE: We are back and taking your calls. We`re camped outside the Phoenix courthouse, bringing you the very latest. In the last hours, redirect of Jodi Arias goes on. Now, remember, she has just endured a scathing cross-examination by the state. Now, many lawyers would advise the defense to keep her off the stand. The damage is done. Don`t stir the pot. But they put her back up.

And Jean Casarez, I really think it was a mistake to go back over those darn gas cans. Nobody on that jury puts gas cans in their trunk full of gas and drives across the country. You know, you don`t do that. She did it. So why are they arguing did she have three or four? Did you have two or three? The point is, she carried gas in gas cans so she would not be detected on her journey to murder Travis Alexander, all right?

Why do they keep bringing it up?

CASAREZ: Trying to make a difference, but it`s a difference without a distinction, so I don`t think it works. But here is what I found so interesting. She testified on the stand that she got the gas in the gas cans because of that ride to Utah on the desolate interstate 15, and then talked to Travis, decided to go to Mesa.

But that`s not what my memory tells me the phone records are. The phone records were that she spoke to Travis first from Pasadena, California. She testified before that was the decision to then go to Mesa...

GRACE: Well, wait! Wa-wait! Wait, Jean!

CASAREZ: ... and then after that filled up the gas cans.

GRACE: Wait, wait, wait, wait! Wa-wait! Liz, Liz, put the map up you were just showing me of her actual route. And Jean, you tell me that again so I can look at the map while you`re telling me. OK, go ahead.

CASAREZ: This is important. All right? She filled up the gas cans in Pasadena, California. And she had testified before that she had spoken to Travis in Pasadena, California, who was in Mesa, and that phone call made the determination she was going to go to Mesa.

Well, from my recollection, the phone calls to Travis came first. The filling up the gas cans came second. Prosecutors will say, You knew what you were going to do, so you filled up those gas cans, knowing you didn`t want a record. You were going to Arizona.

GRACE: OK. So Jean, your reasoning is based on the cell phone receipts that she -- and the receipts of buying the gasoline -- that she couldn`t possibly have bought the gas for this long trek -- that she bought the gas after she talked to Travis and decided to go to his place. Is that -- am I right?

CASAREZ: Correct. Because the testimony today was, I filled up those gas cans in Pasadena because I knew I was going to Utah. And it`s so desolate, all those hours on interstate 15.

GRACE: OK. Ouch! Ouch. If the prosecution can latch onto what you just said and make it something plain -- and I`m not suggesting this jury is dumb by any stretch, but what I`m saying is they`re probably exhausted and numb by now. So I think you got to hit them with short, quick bullets that really matter that state the case for the state.

Unleash the lawyers. The defense lawyers joining me tonight, out of Chicago, Steve Greenberg. Also out of New York, Alex Sanchez. All right, so Alex, what do you do with what Jean just says? The cell phone records and the gas receipts belie or contradict her story.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. You know, Nancy, I think you, as well as any other -- many other people analyzing this case have been rope-a-doped by the defense because you`re concentrating and micro-managing tiny little bits and pieces of evidence.

But the defense has successfully brought to the attention of the jury that this woman is a pathetic, sick, social, dysfunctional individual, and that is the message that they are going to have when they go and deliberate. And the purpose of that is to defeat the death penalty.

GRACE: OK. So you`re not going to answer the question. All right, Greenberg, how about you?

STEVE GREENBERG, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you deal with it through your experts. And I actually agree with Mr. Sanchez that what they`re doing is portraying a pathetic person who`s now in front of the jury and still is pathetic, and she believes these things. And then you have your experts saying that she`s almost delusional because of the way she was treated. Maybe she planned this, but this is why she planned it.

It`s not a traditional self-defense of someone coming at you with a knife or a gun. It`s a mental self-defense that you`re beaten down...

GRACE: OK, you know what...

GREENBERG: ... and beaten down and beaten down...

GRACE: ... guys? I`m asking you...

GREENBERG: ... and then you finally take action.

GRACE: ... how you beat the gas can -- I`m asking you about how you beat the gas can receipts and the cell phone records...

GREENBERG: You embrace it. You have to embrace it!

GRACE: ... that show she`s...


GREENBERG: You have to embrace it!

GRACE: Yes, OK, so since you`re not going to answer, let me throw this curveball at you two. Alexis Weed, isn`t it true that every time the jury comes in or out, she has to stand before them, she actually hides her broken finger? She hides it.

ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, Nancy, I`ve been watching that hand all day. I watch it when she goes back and forth to her chair. But when the jury specifically -- when the jury enters and leaves the courtroom, Arias is standing, and that means that they can see her hands. And each time that I saw her today, she stood up and she held that left hand, the left fingers inside her right hand, kind of a standard pose for Arias.


GRACE: Welcome back. We are camped out here outside the Phoenix courthouse as the redirect examination goes on. It`s a big attempt to save Jodi Arias, to rehabilitate her on redirect examination. It`s a real Hail Mary pass going on in there, and court watchers are concerned that the defense is basically rehashing evidence that is damaging to Jodi Arias.

I want to go out to you, Alexis Weed. Tell me what`s happening in the courtroom and tell me especially how the jurors are responding to Jodi Arias back on the stand.

WEED: Well, just recently, a woman that sits closest to Arias, she yawned as Arias was going through her testimony about why she had to defend herself from Travis Alexander. Also, most of the jurors, though, today making a lot of eye contact with Arias, some of them looking down. They zoned out, though, I will say, during that gas can testimony. I think a lot of the jurors at that point where kind of lost.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you want to kill him on June 4, 2008?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Asked and answered.

ARIAS: It escalated after he attacked me. And I don`t remember the specifics, I just remember panicking and I remember thinking he`s angry. And I remember him coming after me, and he was coming after me and he was coming after me, and he wasn`t stopping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you have any other choice?

ARIAS: When I was cornered, I didn`t feel like I did.


GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are here outside the courthouse bringing you the very latest. Joining me right now, Kinsey Schofield, social media strategist. She`s been in the courtroom throughout. Kinsey, based on your interpretation of what she`s saying on the stand, what are your impressions?

KINSEY SCHOFIELD, SOCIAL MEDIA STRATEGIST: My impressions are that she`s very devious. She continues to evolve this ridiculous story, and I just don`t trust anything that`s coming out of her mouth. And I really, really hope the jury is in the same boat.

GRACE: But let me ask you, do you find her -- from a layperson`s point of view, do you find her to be believable? Have you observed the jurors at all?

SCHOFIELD: I did think she was believable at the beginning of the trial, when the story was that Travis just didn`t want to be her boyfriend. I could relate to her. I understood where she was coming from. But when she started throwing things like pedophile in the mix and just that he`s a sexual deviant, I think everybody in general was turned off especially the jury. I almost wonder if they`re resentful that they have to continue to be berated with all this vulgar testimony.

GRACE: You know, that`s a good point, because this is a murder one trial, and it`s turned into a trial about their sex life, which she was apparently an eager participant in. I`m hearing in my ear, we`re just being joined by Beth Karas, legal correspondent "In Session." She and Jean Casarez both in court all day. Beth, what happened?

BETH KARAS, IN SESSION: Well, you know, Nancy, I think Jodi Arias wanted to distance the jury from her cross-examination, which was pretty damaging to her. So she`s back to I was a victim. He was abusive. I couldn`t get away from him. He wouldn`t leave me alone. Back to basically justifying what she did. And so she has spent the last two days not necessarily helping herself, but just putting a few days in between that cross-examination, which was pretty hard on her.

GRACE: OK, everybody. I hope you`re all sitting down because the judge announced that there are about 100 juror questions. All right? 100 juror questions as of this moment. 100 and counting. So you can only imagine what is going to happen once that is unleashed in the courtroom. To Aaron Brehove, body language expert and senior instructor at Body Language Institute and author. Aaron, you`ve been watching her, and I want to ask you your analysis of her demeanor on direct cross and now redirect. And, please, leave out the part that she`s -- every time she stands up she hides her broken finger, OK? We`ve already analyzed that.

AARON BREHOVE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: So we see a very different person between direct, cross, and redirect. The direct and redirect pretty similar, but it is a more similar situation, where she is talking about how she loves Travis, their relationship. And it was some better (ph) topics she was covering, and she seemed a little softer, a little more demure. And then we see her with the cross, where it`s this (inaudible) person talking back at every different point and really not building that rapport. She did herself a huge disservice during that cross, and I think it is something she is trying to gain back, and what the social media strategist just said a little bit earlier, she really could identify with her. You couldn`t identify with her during any of the cross, and I think during the redirect you`re coming back to that a little bit, and there`s more of her being -- and some people may start to identify with her again, this person, this murderer. You may be able to identify with her even so.

GRACE: You know, everyone, the reason that I have on a body language expert is because you just watching her on TV does not convey what`s really happening in the courtroom. And for all those years I prosecuted felony cases, I would not take my eye off the defendant as they were on the stand or the witness. I would look between them and the jury throughout. I wouldn`t even bother to look at the other attorney asking questions because that was irrelevant. Her demeanor and the way she projects or emanates to that jury is extremely important in these proceedings. Take a look at Jodi Arias in the last hours on redirect.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On June 4, 2008, you had posed for some pictures for Mr. Alexander. Do you remember that?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you see your face there?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you having some kind of independent fun there because you kind of look not so happy?



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you happy there?

ARIAS: I was uncomfortable.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And why were you posing for that picture?


GRACE: There you see her on the stand in the last hours on redirect examination. Did the defense rehabilitate her? Also, what we learned at the end of the courthouse day, there will be no recross-examination. That has been a topic that`s been thrown up in the air from the get-go. Will the state have a chance to recross-examine Jodi Arias? But everybody who is siding with the state out there, don`t lose hope, because, guess what, there are going to be at least 100 juror questions. OK, Jean Casarez, what does that mean?

CASAREZ: That means that the jurors have been filling this basket. They`re allowed to ask questions. Anything they think of. Anything they want to ask. Now, what is going to happen is, the attorneys and the judge have to go through the questions, read them, look at them. The defense attorneys will get to look at them. The prosecutor will look at them, and then there will be argument on both sides about whether it`s relevant, whether it`s hearsay, whether it`s allowed, whether it`s not. So not all 100 may be asked of Jodi. But once she is asked the questions by the judge, then both sides can also question her to add to the questions answered.

GRACE: So, Beth Karas, you and Jean both are practicing lawyers, as well as correspondents, you know the drill. When you are presenting a case, there are certain things you bring up on purpose. Things you don`t bring up. Things you stay away from that are objectionable. You know they`ll open another can of worms. So it`s not worth bringing them up. But the jury doesn`t know any of that. They are not privy to the strategy by either side. So their questions may just blow this case wide open, Beth Karas.

KARAS: Yes. The judge has kept a lot of evidence out. For example, jurors do not know that Jodi Arias was slashing Travis Alexander`s tires. She was never charged with that. There were never any eyewitnesses to it except there`s a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to her. The judge kept that out. Jurors may want to know about that. They did ask a question of Travis Alexander`s former girlfriend, did you ever call Jodi Arias a stalker? And she said, yes. So maybe some questions have to do with that or other evidence that the judge excluded, and she`s not going to allow those questions. So I agree with Jean, I mean, I suspect not all 100 questions are going to be asked.

GRACE: Everybody, the family album is back. Showcasing your photos. And tonight Alabama friends, the Adams family, they love get-togethers, fishing, and their dog, cat, and pygmy goats. Share photos through iReport family album at hlntv/nancygrace, and click on Nancy`s family album.


GRACE: Well, this week in the Jodi Arias trial, we all expected a bombshell in the redirect examination of Jodi Arias to try and rehabilitate the scathing cross-examination she underwent last week at the hands of the prosecution. But instead it seemed more like a broken record. We got more of the same that we heard on direct, and, as a matter of fact, the defense, I guess it was planned but seemingly unwittingly brought their client down off the stand for yet another demonstration, and I`m sure the prosecution was very happy about that.

We`ve come this far in the trail, and there`s been a lot of damning evidence. This may be the last chance redirect examination for the defense to turn the case around. It`s all on them now.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were questioned last week because you had told us that on the 21st or 22nd of January, 2008, is when you saw Mr. Alexander masturbating to an image of a child. Do you remember that?

ARIAS: Yes, the 21st. To me, as far as noteworthy things, things you would want to note and that`s exactly the opposite I would want to note. I wouldn`t want to remember that. I wouldn`t want it recorded in my journal as far as record keeping goes. And, also, it`s a highly negative event and it was a negative experience for me, and it was not something I wished to remember.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a startling event, was it not?

ARIAS: Yes, it was very shocking.


GRACE: Welcome back. We are here outside the courthouse bringing you the latest in the trial of Jodi Arias, on trial for murder one, in the slashing death, the brutal slashing death of her then lover, Travis Alexander. 29 stab and slash wounds, including a slash from ear to ear capped off with a gunshot wound to the head. Her defense, self-defense. This in light of physical evidence that shows nine stab wounds to the back. Right now Jodi Arias has endured two days of redirect examination. Out to you, Beth Karas, the judge`s decision not to allow recross-examination, what does that mean for the state?

Hold on. I think I lost Beth`s satellite. Let me go to Jean on that. What does it mean for the state, Jean?

CASAREZ: You know, we don`t know if the prosecutor asked for recross- examination, because he can ask for it and it`s the judge`s decision. Many new things were brought up, Nancy. New photos, new diary entries, what does it mean for the prosecution? It means they`re going to have a rebuttal case as we knew they would anyway.

GRACE: They absolutely will. Let`s go out to the lines, Leslie in Indiana. Hi, Leslie. What`s your question, dear?

CALLER: Hi, Nancy. I just wondered, why are they going over the sex stuff again and again and again? How many times do we have to hear about this?

GRACE: Good question, Leslie in Indiana. Out to you, Beth Karas, I think I have got you back.

KARAS: Yes, I am back. You are entitled to go over things that Martinez dealt with on cross-examination. It was the same thing. There was very little new that we heard today, but it`s over. Now all that`s left are the juror questions tomorrow.

GRACE: Matt Zarrell, weigh in.

ZARRELL: OK. One thing I want to talk about here, the defense made a big point about the gun, that Arias would have had plenty of access to other guns, through her father, through Darryl Brewer, through Matt McCartney. The problem with that theory, Nancy, if she didn`t want to be detected, why would she borrow a gun so that someone else would know that she already had a gun on her when she went to Travis` house?

GRACE: Yes, Matt, your thinking is dead on, because if she didn`t want to stop for gas so she wouldn`t leave a trail of receipts, or on videocamera, of course she wouldn`t want to borrow someone`s gun for pete`s sakes. And Matt, let`s review one more time why she says she bought a .9 millimeter weapon. I can`t get over this.

ZARRELL: Well, yes, I can`t either. She gives this whole story, Nancy, about how she was going to go camping with this group of guys and she was worried about being safe with this group of guys and hormones and drinking and what not. And that she didn`t even think about using the gun for suicide until after she went on this trip.

GRACE: So, Matt, let me get this straight. She buys a gun to go on a camping trip with a group of men, where I understand she will be the only woman, and they`re all going to be in tents and the campfire and all that and she is so worried for her safety she buys a gun. Here is my question, Wendy Walsh, if you`re so worried about being murdered or raped on a camping trip with a bunch of guys, why go on the camping trip? Why would I go on a camping trip where I have got to buy a gun?

WALSH: Exactly. I mean, I don`t know if it speaks to some deep kind of paranoia in her personality or whether she is just delusional and not making clear decisions. I think that obviously she shouldn`t have gone camping or shouldn`t have planned to go camping with a bunch of guys if she feels so stressed. But I do think on some level, Nancy, this woman fears men. As much as she was attracted to Travis, she also was afraid of him psychologically.

GRACE: You know, I appreciate that going way, way deep. I`m not really getting that. I mean, she`s the one who says she wants to be tied up, she wants to have this so-called deviant sex. She doesn`t seem scared of men to me.

Jean Casarez, why go on a camping trip when you`re so afraid of the people you`re voluntarily going with you`ve got to buy a gun to protect yourself? That doesn`t make sense. That`s a lie.

CASAREZ: Let`s remember that this camping trip was between the time she killed Travis and between the time she is arrested, if, in fact, that`s the reason she bought the gun. We know she bought a gun. So the defense experts may provide that explanation, that she thought she was going to be in danger because she was so psychologically, you know, screwed up. But the fact is right before she was arrested, when she was arrested, they executed a search warrant of her car, and they didn`t find a gun but they found .9 millimeter bullets in her suitcase, and the next month they found a .9 millimeter gun that she had hidden in that rental car.

GRACE: And you know, Jean, I find what you just said extremely probative. In other words, it proves something. It proves that she`s lying. Because if she was so afraid and she felt she needed that gun for protection, where do you put a gun? Where do you put a weapon if you`re afraid? You put it where you can reach it. Where did she put it? She hid it so well, a month passed before the rental car people find the gun hidden up in the car. That is a big lie.



ARIAS: I just didn`t want people to know that I could have done something like that because that`s not how I -- that`s not how I have lived my whole life. I considered myself a nice person, and I couldn`t believe that it happened. I couldn`t believe that that had happened, and I was horrified with myself. I was very ashamed.


GRACE: Before you buy into her looking like she`s going to cry on the stand and she`s telling this jury how she`s not -- she didn`t want people to believe she could do such a horrible thing such as murder Travis Alexander, Liz, do you have that sound for me? Because when you watch her talking to Detective Flores when she`s telling him that she was nowhere near the scene, she`s very believable, just like this. When you see her in her next police interview with Flores and she`s describing the man and the woman that broke in and murdered Travis and let her go magnanimously, she seems so believable then as well. So when I look at her now, it`s very difficult to believe anything she says.

Jean, will the judge allow questions from the jury that call her on her lies?

CASAREZ: I would think so. I would think there would be so much that`s relevant. So I would think a vast majority of the questions are going to be allowed to be asked.



ARIAS: If I could go back time, I would choose differently with regard to Travis, of course, and when I start thinking along those lines, I think back further, well, maybe I would have never gone to the MGM Grand (ph).


GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We`re here outside the courthouse. Jodi Arias in the last hour is back on the stand on redirect. Redirect is done. There will be no recross-examination. The state will not get to question her on all the things she said on redirect examination. But the judge has announced there are about 100 juror questions. Sadly, Arias is going to get to review all those questions tonight. Let`s take a look at Arias on the stand on redirect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why you chose to introduce Mr. Alexander to K-Y?

ARIAS: Well, there were several reasons. The main reason being that some of the activities that he wanted to do were painful without it, and he was not willing to go to the store and buy it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From what you told us before in your sex life, anal sex was not a passion of yours; is that correct?

ARIAS: It had never been a regular part of my thing with people that I`ve been intimate with.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you had said, in other parts of your testimony, came through this idea that Travis was very persuasive, right? We heard that?



GRACE: Everyone, our thoughts and prayers to the family of Arthur Johns (ph). He passed away March 3. Loving father, husband leaves behind a wife of 64 years, daughters Frankie and Robin, granddaughter Lisa, beautiful wife Ule. Arthur Johns. Good night, friend.

Everyone, we`ll be here tomorrow night camped outside the courthouse taking your questions. Dr. Drew is up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.